[s-cars] Brake hard line repair

Wed Sep 9 08:12:37 PDT 2009

Tony,

You may want to try brake fluid.? Put some on the outside of the connection, protect it from touching the paint, wait some time, then tap the joint.? It has always worked for me (and its essentially free).

Mark near Chicago

Tony wrote:

Apparently it's not easy to get Kroil in Canada - maybe west coast. There's
also some stuff called Knock'r Loose which is supposed to be identical.
Can't find that either!

Cheers,

Tony
96 S6

-----Original Message-----
From: Theodore Chen [mailto:tedebearp at yahoo.com] 
Sent: September 8, 2009 8:49 PM
To: Tony Curran; Scar
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Brake hard line repair

Before you do that, have you tried soaking in Kroil for a day or two?
Propane torch?

----- Original Message ----
From: Tony Curran <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
To: Scar <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 5:03:36 PM
Subject: [s-cars] Brake hard line repair

Hi folks,

Went to replace the rear brake hoses on the S6 and it soon became clear the
hose didn't want to separate from the hard line. So I'm looking to replace
the connection of the hard line to hose which means I have to cut the line
and then flare the end. Any BTDT advice? Source for flare kits?

I've never done this before so any advice welcome.

Cheers,

Tony

96 S6

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  Stalling issue (rbade12 at aol.com)
   2. Re:  ABS Off Light Problem (Robert Myers)
   3.  Brake hard line repair (Tony Curran)
   4. Re:  Stalling issue (Tony Curran)
   5. Re:  Brake hard line repair (Theodore Chen)
   6. Re:  Brake hard line repair (Tony Curran)
   7. Re:  Brake hard line repair (Kent McLean)
   8. Re:  Brake hard line repair (Robert Rossato)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:54:16 -0400
From: rbade12 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Stalling issue
To: scarsgo at gmail.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
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 Sounds like turbo bypass valve issues, BTDT [with a 200q20v, 3b engine]. Here's 
info 3b related but essentially applies to AAN also.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061130091413/members.aol.com/c1j1miller/engine.html#Bypass%20valve

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Darin Nederhoff <scarsgo at gmail.com>
To: s-car-list at audifans.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:44 pm
Subject: [s-cars] Stalling issue

Hey gang,

My S4 seems to have a new issue. My idle seems to stick between 1100  
and 2000 rpm after extended high speed driving or when the AC is on.  
If it just cruise around town it seems fine.

Problem is that the car likes to stumble and stall after coming to a  
toll booth or off the freeway. It does restart but it is a real PITA  
when in traffic. The ISV has been removed and cleaned and the car has  
no trouble codes stored. Any ideas?

Darin Nederhoff

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:43:50 -0400
From: Robert Myers <bob at chips-ur-s.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] ABS Off Light Problem
To: chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
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And...

If that treatment doesn't work there may be an open somewhere else in 
the circuit.  It can be VERY difficult to find such an open.  There 
is a pair of wires (the other ends of the wear sensor wires) which 
inhabit one of the plugs in the back side of the instrument 
cluster.  Just open up the plug, locate the two wires join them 
inside the plug (solder and black tape) and close the plug back up and..

Reassembly is the reverse of disassembly.  ;-)

If you need to know exactly which wires and which plug just 
ask.  It's been a while since I did it so I'll hafta go digging to be 
able to tell you for sure but I did this to my car when such an open 
circuit occurred and it works beautifully.

Bob

At 10:02 AM 9/8/2009, chris chambers wrote:
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>Brian,
>
>I recommend instead of using paper clips clip that you use the plugs 
>from your old pads.
>
>Cut the plugs off your old pads leaving plenty of wires.
>Twist and solder the two wires together and tape with black tape to 
>prevent corrosion.
>Now plug these plugs back into the plugs on the car and hhopefully 
>the brake pad sensor
>warning indicater will go off.
>
>  HTH
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
> > From: Brian Armstead <barmstea at voanews.com>
> > To: chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 9:58:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] ABS Off Light Problem
> >
> > Thanks Chris,
> >
> > No, I know the diff between the two, and nothing has been 
> cut.  I'm going to
> > reshort the wires with a paper clip, and unseat/reseat the sensors.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > chris chambers wrote:
> > > Brian,
> > >
> > > Two things that come to mind to check:
> > >
> > > 1. Check and see if the speed sensor is loose, may need to be 
> tapped back into
> > place.
> > >
> > > 2. It's an awful big coincidence that you are having both of 
> these problems
> > immediately after the brake upgrade. Is it possible that you cut the speed
> > sensors and "shorted these wires" instead of the brake pad wear sensor
> > wires.....like another lister did?
> > >
> > >  HTH
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >> From: Brian Armstead
> > >> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 7:45:43 AM
> > >> Subject: [s-cars] ABS Off Light Problem
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Greetings all,
> > >>
> > >> I recently upgraded the brakes on my 93 S4, going with 034 Motorsports
> > excellent Boxster package.  What a difference!  I have tow 
> problems now.  First,
> > the brake pad warning light is on.  I shorted the wires together 
> with a clip,
> > and it stayed off for ten minutes then came back on.
> > >>
> > >> The bigger problem is the "antilock off" light is on.  I checked the
> > connections on both sides, and they appear tight.  The guy who 
> did the work
> > doesn't have a clue.
> > >>
> > >> Any thoughts?
> > >>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:03:36 -0400
From: "Tony Curran" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
Subject: [s-cars] Brake hard line repair
To: "'Scar'" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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Hi folks,

Went to replace the rear brake hoses on the S6 and it soon became clear the
hose didn't want to separate from the hard line. So I'm looking to replace
the connection of the hard line to hose which means I have to cut the line
and then flare the end. Any BTDT advice? Source for flare kits?

I've never done this before so any advice welcome.

Cheers,

Tony

96 S6

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:05:20 -0400
From: "Tony Curran" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Stalling issue
To: <rbade12 at aol.com>,  <scarsgo at gmail.com>,    <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP570B1460B71135B4E1C65E8AE90 at phx.gbl>
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Bypass valve resource...

http://www.s4biturbo.com/art-dvtests.php

Part 2

http://www.s4biturbo.com/art-dvtests2.php

Tony
96 S6

-----Original Message-----
From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of rbade12 at aol.com
Sent: September 8, 2009 4:54 PM
To: scarsgo at gmail.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Stalling issue

 Sounds like turbo bypass valve issues, BTDT [with a 200q20v, 3b engine].
Here's info 3b related but essentially applies to AAN also.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061130091413/members.aol.com/c1j1miller/engine.
html#Bypass%20valve

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Darin Nederhoff <scarsgo at gmail.com>
To: s-car-list at audifans.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:44 pm
Subject: [s-cars] Stalling issue

Hey gang,

My S4 seems to have a new issue. My idle seems to stick between 1100  
and 2000 rpm after extended high speed driving or when the AC is on.  
If it just cruise around town it seems fine.

Problem is that the car likes to stumble and stall after coming to a  
toll booth or off the freeway. It does restart but it is a real PITA  
when in traffic. The ISV has been removed and cleaned and the car has  
no trouble codes stored. Any ideas?

Darin Nederhoff

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:49:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Brake hard line repair
To: Tony Curran <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>, Scar
    <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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Before you do that, have you tried soaking in Kroil for a day or two?  Propane 
torch?

----- Original Message ----
From: Tony Curran <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
To: Scar <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 5:03:36 PM
Subject: [s-cars] Brake hard line repair

Hi folks,

Went to replace the rear brake hoses on the S6 and it soon became clear the
hose didn't want to separate from the hard line. So I'm looking to replace
the connection of the hard line to hose which means I have to cut the line
and then flare the end. Any BTDT advice? Source for flare kits?

I've never done this before so any advice welcome.

Cheers,

Tony

96 S6

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 21:54:30 -0400
From: "Tony Curran" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Brake hard line repair
To: "'Theodore Chen'" <tedebearp at yahoo.com>, "'Scar'"
    <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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Apparently it's not easy to get Kroil in Canada - maybe west coast. There's
also some stuff called Knock'r Loose which is supposed to be identical.
Can't find that either!

Cheers,

Tony
96 S6

-----Original Message-----
From: Theodore Chen [mailto:tedebearp at yahoo.com] 
Sent: September 8, 2009 8:49 PM
To: Tony Curran; Scar
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Brake hard line repair

Before you do that, have you tried soaking in Kroil for a day or two?
Propane torch?

----- Original Message ----
From: Tony Curran <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
To: Scar <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 5:03:36 PM
Subject: [s-cars] Brake hard line repair

Hi folks,

Went to replace the rear brake hoses on the S6 and it soon became clear the
hose didn't want to separate from the hard line. So I'm looking to replace
the connection of the hard line to hose which means I have to cut the line
and then flare the end. Any BTDT advice? Source for flare kits?

I've never done this before so any advice welcome.

Cheers,

Tony

96 S6

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:06:15 -0400
From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Brake hard line repair
To: 'Scar' <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Message-ID: <4AA70D97.7050204 at comcast.net>
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Tony Curran wrote:
> Apparently it's not easy to get Kroil in Canada - maybe west coast. There's
> also some stuff called Knock'r Loose which is supposed to be identical.
> Can't find that either!

You could try a 50/50 mix of ATF (automatic transmission fluid) and acetone.

<http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/703119-definitive-test-of-penetrating-oils.html>

-- 
Kent McLean
1999 A4 Avant, V6 Tiptronic
1991 200 TQA #3, with mods
1990 V8 w/5-speed and other mods
gone: '91 200 TQA x2, '94 100 S Avant, '89 200 TQ "Bad Puppy"

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 23:06:03 -0400
From: Robert Rossato <rossato.qlist at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Brake hard line repair
To: "'Tony Curran'" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>, "'Scar'"
    <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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Hopefully you'll be able to get it loosened with some Kroil/PB
Blaster/etc, but if you do find yourself needing to replace the hard
line do yourself a favor and avoid the $25 flaring tools that everybody
sells.  They're all the same and they all suck.  Absolutely worthless on
steel lines.  Good luck trying to get a good flare with them.  Believe
me I've tried.  Out of 10 tries you might get one or two passable
flares.   The only thing I've found that does a good job is a hydraulic
flaring tool like this.  Works every time.
http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/p-3494-mastercool-71475.aspx

Not cheap, but you get what you pay for.  You can find it for around
$280 if you hunt around.  It's possible that Mastercool makes a kit that
is just for metric bubble flares so you don't have to pay for all the
extra dies you don't need, but I couldn't find one.

Now, if you are at the point where you will be replacing a significant
amount of line rather than just cutting off about a 1/2" and recrimping,
then get yourself some Cunifer copper-nickel line
(http://www.fedhillusa.com/).  It's an absolute joy to work with, and
with this you may actually be able to get a decent flare with the cheapo
flaring tools.  Though, unless you're replacing the entire section of
line, you'll still need to deal with flaring the steel line at some
point.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Tony Curran
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:04 PM
> To: 'Scar'
> Subject: [s-cars] Brake hard line repair
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
>  
> 
> Went to replace the rear brake hoses on the S6 and it soon 
> became clear the
> hose didn't want to separate from the hard line. So I'm 
> looking to replace
> the connection of the hard line to hose which means I have to 
> cut the line
> and then flare the end. Any BTDT advice? Source for flare kits?
> 
>  
> 
> I've never done this before so any advice welcome.
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>  
> 
> Tony
> 
> 96 S6
> 
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