[s-cars] B6 doesn't turn over in the cold.

Fri Jan 8 06:31:43 PST 2010

Hear me now, believe me later.  It's the starter.

There are rare cases where it's been the battery or the clutch switch.
You've ruled out the battery.  Rule out the clutch switch and then replace
the starter and solenoid.

Jim Gates

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   1. Re:  aero blade wipers? (brian hoeft)
   2. Re:  Burning oil or coolant? (brian hoeft)
   3. Re:  B6 doesn't turn over in the cold. (LL - NY)
   4. Re:  Review: Dension Gateway 300 ipod/USB Music Link (JC)
   5. Re:  Vag Slush (brian hoeft)
   6. Re:  B6 doesn't turn over in the cold. (Sean Reifschneider)
   7. Re:  B6 doesn't turn over in the cold. (Joe Pizzimenti)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:48:41 -0500
From: brian hoeft <qweblog at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] aero blade wipers?
To: Andrew B <andrew.sb at gmail.com>
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
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doing some clicking and reading, figured id respond with my 2 cents

i just bought nice bosch aero whatevers a few weeks ago and have had the
nicest swipe in memory. this, after i bought a set for my mother for her
hyundai santa fe and she told me that her wipers have never worked so good
"especially on the highway" which she takes 60 miles each way 4 days a
week..

i also use rain-x as routine, have 22" on both sides.. i paid $20 for both,
but my friend works at car-quest, so go figure.

im pleased so far, but its only been about a month. if they get through the
winter and then some i'll be satisfied.

-brian

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Andrew B <andrew.sb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Have the same Michelins on my car.  Passenger seems fine, though I
> don't look out of it, but I get the same dead spot in the center of
> the driver's side.  I've been having problems with my squirts, which
> is now resolved, so that should help.  Once it gets real wet, they
> clean up just fine, but when it's light rain I get a few skips with
> it.  Might be the curvature of the windshield, might just be that they
> suck.
>
> I usually go for the cheapies and replace them twice a year.  Last
> time I spent big bucks on BOSCH blades (because I like being able to
> see) and they were damaged and useless within a few weeks.  Some bug
> guts had apparently taken a chunk out of the blade and thereafter left
> a line everytime I turned them on.  Swapped passenger side (cheapo)
> with driver side, and everything was happy.
>
> On that note, I believe I'm using the wrong size passenger wiper.
> What's the recommended or stock size?  The books at the FLAPS had one
> size for Triflex (or whatever) and another for michelin.  I went with
> the michie recommended size and it seems way too big.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:54:03 -0500
From: brian hoeft <qweblog at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Burning oil or coolant?
To: "erikaddy at yahoo.com" <erikaddy at yahoo.com>
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if im to base my statement on this post...

...not driven for days, -10F & short drive...

it could just be unburnt gas man. thats F'n cold,, and if it didnt warm up &
out for a short stint, i wouldnt sweat it.  make it a different scenario and
maybe trouble but i wouldnt start pulling hair (or compression testers) out.

-brian

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:54 PM, erikaddy at yahoo.com
<erikaddy at yahoo.com>wrote:

> So I haven't driven my S4 for at least a couple of days.  It has almost
> 170k on it and tonight on the way to work I noticed excessive smoke in my
> rear view mirror.  Outside temp was -10F.  It was a short drive, so I
didn't
> really have time to try and figure it out but it did seem that the smoke
was
> worse when transitioning from boost to vaccum then when in the boost.
>
> So coolant or oil is the question I suppose, leading to head gasket or
> turbo seal.  Could someone please refresh me on some basic diagnostic
tips?
>
> Thanks,
> Erik
>
> Erik Addy
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:19:58 -0500
From: LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] B6 doesn't turn over in the cold.
To: Jerry Scott <jerryscott at wispertel.net>
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There's a relay for the clutch?

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Jerry Scott <jerryscott at wispertel.net>wrote:

> I have had this same problem with my 93 S4 for years.  I did find that
> something defeats the ignition, so that there is no spark when it gets
down
> to 0F.  One time when  it didn't start in 0F weather,  I tried to pull the
> car back into a warm garage by using the starter and car in first gear.
It
> started as the car started moving. So, you may be on the right track,
> having
> the clutch out when cranking, since the clutch relay may be somehow
> defeating the ignition.  I know that the starter has to overcome the thick
> oil in the trany, but you may find that it will start if it will crank
fast
> enough.
>
> Let me know what you find, as I still haven't solved my problem.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean Reifschneider" <jafo at jafo.ca>
> To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 4:21 PM
> Subject: [s-cars] B6 doesn't turn over in the cold.
>
>
> >I have a 2005.0 S4 and since the temperature has turned cold it has
> > started being hard to start.  Everything works as normal except the
> > starter doesn't engage for half a second to 30 seconds or longer (one
> > time I tried for 10 minutes).  The lights all come on when I turn the
> > switch as normal, but it just won't fire the starter.
> >
> > As the weather started getting colder, I started noticing it take half
> > a second after I turned to start, where before it was instant.  As it
> > got colder it progressively got worse.
> >
> > Usually after I drive it and leave it sitting an hour to 4 hours I have
> > little if any trouble starting it.  But after it sits over night it can
> > be hard to start.
> >
> > The one time that it didn't start at all, I put a kilowatt heater
blowing
> > under the car by the front drivers side wheel for an hour, and then it
> > started right up.
> >
> > Here is what I've done for diagnostics:
> >
> >    Replaced the battery.  This was because once under acceleration the
> >    battery light went on, and it's 5 years old so I figured I might as
> >    well.
> >
> >    I have tried another key with the same results, just in case the
> >    immobilizer in the original key was having issues.
> >
> >    A little bit of heat blowing into the engine compartment behind the
> >    front drivers side tire seems to help a lot.
> >
> >    Took it to my independant shop but they were confounded.
> >
> >    It *MIGHT* work better if I turn the key SLOWLY from "on" to "start",
> >    but sometimes it doesn't.
> >
> >    When I press the clutch pedal I can hear what sounds like a relay
> >    activating or deactivating as I press and release around 80% of the
> way
> >    in.
> >
> >    The drivers side mat is firmly planted on it's pins, and pressing the
> >    clutch pedal slightly hard doesn't help.
> >
> > I'm thinking it's something related to the clutch interlock because:
> >
> >    Blowing some heat into the engine compartment for 15 to 60 minutes
> > seems
> >    to greatly help.
> >
> >    If it were the starter, I would expect it to need heat much longer to
> >    warm up.  I'm blowing the heat in fairly close to where the clutch
is,
> >    though I admit I don't know exactly where the starter is, they're
> > pretty
> >    weighty and I wouldn't expect even an hour of heat blowing in would
> > make
> >    a whole lot of change to the temperature of the starter.
> >
> >    The ignition key isn't getting any heat from this heater, as it's
> >    blowing under the car, not inside it.
> >
> > I'm expecting that the problem is isolated to the starter, ignition
> > switch,
> > or clutch switch.  Or maybe the ECU (Ugh).
> >
> > Any advice before I take it in to the dealer?  I'm not really looking
> > forward to trying to isolate the issue in the snow, but think it should
> be
> > a fairly simple check of voltage at the starter to see if it's getting
> the
> > voltage and not firing, or not, in which case then check the clutch and
> > ignition inputs.  Immobilizer complicates the ignition switch I imagine.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sean
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:17:08 +0800
From: "JC" <jc at j2c3.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Review: Dension Gateway 300 ipod/USB Music Link
To: "'Sean Reifschneider'" <jafo at jafo.ca>,	"'Kent McLean'"
	<kentmclean at comcast.net>
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
Message-ID: <329D9457665543138578548AEC468F87 at VibroSonic>

Just to add my experience and a warning away from Alpine iPod heads for any
other readers watching this threat...
- I am a iPod type mostly because I wanted to minimize having to have 2 or 3
types of devices and methods to have to sync my master library, and having
iPhone/iPod/iTunes they got me on the 'predominant paradigm' standard thing
- I put in an Alpine with iPod compatibility a couple years ago. it works
but only just. Navigation is dumb in a few ways, kinda sux actually.  Some
is the Alpine native navigation (there's a knob that clicks in that would be
a perfect 'mouse click' function but they make you click a different 'Enter'
button insetad) and other things are the iPod interface design they've used.
Takes lots of clicks to navigate down into the iPod and find sstuff. Then
there's the whole old-vs-new iPod compatibility probably (even though the
new iPods were out at the time it was still only compatible with the old
ones - aarrgh stupid).  And although the head unit supports doing it Alpine
apparently doesn't release firmware upgrades that could enhance bugs and
menus and features ('don't upgrade for people who paid already! then they
won't buy a new one!)  Basically I'd never ever buy an Alpine again. fault
my 1980's brand loyalty from when they made good stuff... OK I still have a
unit from 2000 in the wife's car that was decent too, but although I was
happy at first this thing verges on being a bag of suck over the long haul.
- This head also has a USB connect and I tried that for a while but it was
too much hassle. Although apparently it can be made to work with just the
right stuff stupid Alpine dones't provide enough current on the USB to drive
just any external HD and is even sometimes fussy about solid state
devices... In the end it was too much hassle to continually re-sync/re-load
the other USB stick device when I already have iPod/iPhone that sync
semi-automatically when I charge 'em...
- FYI you CAN get adapters to get old-iPod cables to work with new ones -
it's a little dongle thing that makes each side happy. That's what I'm
running now and I find a few bugs with them like sometimes I have to take
mine off the Alpine cable  and re-plug it to apparently 'reboot' the
connection or something. But it does work mostly.

Sadly from my experience the car audio industry is living in 1982 and think
they can drag their feet and try to stick with proprietary bullcrap and
upgrades and calling half-assed bullshit "iPod compatibility"... the other
brands I looked at were equally flawed just in different ways.  BTW I was
shocked to find after the fact that this Alpine doesn't even have FM radio
RDS built-in! They want you to BUY AN EXTERNAL ACCESSORY BOX that plugs into
the expansion bus system to give you HD radio and RDS... and then you need
to cable it up and find a place under the dash to stick it... retarded...

Next time I'm shooting for a head that is fully iPhone compatible aka phone
function + iPod function built-in... I hope somebody will have figured it
out by then aside from the Auto OEM's like Audi/BMW...

BTW, I completely understand why others want to go anti-iPod, and for those
that put custom Linux solutions in their trunk with Wifi sync and things I
give full thumbs up... just not for me (guess I've reluctantly been
converted to the dumb 'easy, pretty, and just works' Apple dark-side for my
expectations)

>
> Either way, I agree with avoiding the iPod.  Lots of people
> want that option though, mine definitely does not have that
> capability any more.  I could add it with an extra cable for
> the Gateway, but I had no interest in it at the time.
>
> Sean

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 01:59:46 -0500
From: brian hoeft <qweblog at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Vag Slush
To: bill mahoney <airbil at gmail.com>
Cc: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
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if i sound surly, well, its late & i cant sleep.   maybe for your benefit..

dude, suck it up and borrow the RL!
it will be comfortable,reliable and if you really have that much of a hard
on for steady speeding you probably have a friend that'll let you get a fix
with his/her car.

with all that money you save you'll have plenty of leftover cash to spend on
stuff to heal your body -much more important than worrying about what youre
going to drive- with plants grown of creation and maybe avoid unnecessary
surgery.

if someone would have told me about
this<http://drchristophersherbshop.com/Complete_Tissue.html>when i got
banged up in an accident years ago, not only would i believe them
to be a blessing, but i certainly would have avoided (at least some)
surgeries and be in less pain throughout recovery.

i buy the 1lb powdered bulk bag & make my own poultices & pills.

i dont expect you to take my advice, but if you do, and eat/apply
*enough*(lots), you will benefit yourself immensely.

-brian

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:54 AM, bill mahoney <airbil at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmmm... rental had crossed my mind... but/and in the meantime, I was
> reminded that the mo in laws '06 (I think it is.. old body style) RL acura
> is available whilst they are in Hilton Head the next four mos. (cheapest
> option.)
> But I must ask myself,... "After driving the gofast pig, RS2dalu, fastest,
> most powerful supercar ever conceived, do I really want lumber to and fro
> in
> my blues bros. disguise driving a beige colored boat?  Do ya punk?"
> My half conceived (per usual) plan is to see if I can steal a low mileage
> R32 from some desperate soul.
> For some reason they are mostly 20k miles + it seems and the lower mileage
> ones push the $30k mark.
> I usually inform the wife of such shenanigans expofacto to avoid
> confrontation and veto's, etc. and so forth:)
> Bill~waiting for der dolch~M
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:39 AM, David Kase <dbkase at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So?  What's the verdict Billy Boy?
> >
> > The thought occurred to me that the suggestion of renting a car is quite
> a
> > good option.  The TAX you would pay on another car may cover the cost of
> the
> > rental.
> >
> > Kase
> >
> >
> >
> >>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:19:16 -0700
From: Sean Reifschneider <jafo at jafo.ca>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] B6 doesn't turn over in the cold.
To: LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com>
Cc: s-car list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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On 01/07/2010 05:19 PM, LL - NY wrote:
> There's a relay for the clutch?

It sure sounds like it.  At around 80% in, I can hear something clicking,
it sounds an awful lot like a relay.

Thanks,
Sean
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 06:45:27 -0500
From: Joe Pizzimenti <joe.pizzimenti at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] B6 doesn't turn over in the cold.
To: Sean Reifschneider <jafo at jafo.ca>
Cc: s-car list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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May be a bad neutral safety switch.

On Jan 8, 2010 6:19 AM, "Sean Reifschneider" <jafo at jafo.ca> wrote:

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On 01/07/2010 05:19 PM, LL - NY wrote: > There's a relay for the clutch?
It sure sounds like it.  At around 80% in, I can hear something clicking,
it sounds an awful lot like a relay.

Thanks,
Sean
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