[s-cars] S-CAR-List Digest, Vol 77, Issue 19

Fri Mar 12 07:45:52 PST 2010

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Today's Topics:

   1.  Fwd:  Rear ABS sensor and HRSB links (tr0910)
   2. Re:  climate control issues (JC)
   3.   climate control issues (jtoms493 at comcast.net)
   4. Re:  climate control issues (Taka Mizutani)
   5. Re:  Pius... I declare - SHENANIGANS (Taka Mizutani)
   6. Re:  [V8] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix (Taka Mizutani)
   7. Re:  Pius... I declare - SHENANIGANS (Joe Pizzimenti)
   8. Re:  Pius... I declare - SHENANIGANS (mike schowengerdt)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:45:49 -0700
From: tr0910 <tr0910 at gmail.com>
Subject: [s-cars] Fwd:  Rear ABS sensor and HRSB links
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Wow I wasn't aware there were options like that.  Called my local Sterling
dealer and he has one on the shelf for $55.  The local Audi dealer needs a
week to source one and price is $257.  I'll update the list once we have
tried it out.

I don't think the Audi one is 60" long.  I am guessing that there will be a
little extra wire to curl up under the back seat.  Hope that is the only
problem.

Tim

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Kent McLean <kentmclean at comcast.net> wrote:

> Robert Myers wrote:
> > I'd try Chris Semple for a used sensor.  <chris at force5auto.com>
>
> Or go new:
> <http://www.audifans.com/w/index.php?title=ABS_Sensor_Substitute>
>
> --
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> 1991 200 TQA #3, with mods
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> gone: '91 200 TQA x2, '94 100 S Avant, '89 200 TQ "Bad Puppy"
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:50:06 +0800
From: "JC" <jc at j2c3.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] climate control issues
To: <stott at gwi.net>, "'Patrick Moores'" <pfm2316 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "'S-Car-List at Audifans.Com'" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Message-ID: <9EBCB6208E164C8588320A9988B66753 at VibroSonic>

great notes from Stott.  and as pointed out, yes it is all supposed to work
well and they generally do until the servos or blower motor crap out, with
CC head failure being a distant but still not unheard-of third place.

the servo motors get clogged with brush dust but usually still
partially/intermittently work for a long time, showing symptoms as you
outlined - temp or outlets don't always give what you ask for but not 100%
failure.  when this happens you get codes so it's easily tracked down.
servos can be disassembled and cleaned to rehabilitate for free, not as good
as new obviously but enough to get you another year or more of life. worked
well for me for sure.

also back to the original post, if half the display is shot, it could just
be the LED but there's every reason to be suspicious something else (or
several something elses) has pooped the bed inside there as well.  do the CC
head swap, it's a 5 minute job, and even if it doesn't fix it, then with a
good display you can read the codes which will probably tell you servos are
getting gunked up etc.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Stott Hare
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:12 AM
> To: 'Patrick Moores'
> Cc: 'S-Car-List at Audifans.Com'
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] climate control issues
>
> Check the CC head fault codes first.  Most likely you will
> find that the stepper motors controlling flap positions and
> temp control valve are shot.
> It's common for the CC head to be sending out the right
> requests, but for the other parts of the system to be unable
> to respond accordingly.
>
> Temp control servo is on the side of the heater box in the
> plenum (near wiper motor) inside a wipe plastic cover made
> from exceedingly brittle plastic.  Expect several of the
> mounting points to shear off as you remove the 8? Micro Phillips.
> http://s-cars.org/postnuke/downloads/pdf/Temp%20Flap%20Servo%2
> 0Motor%20R&R.p
> df
>
> The floor/vent/defrost flap controls are more obnoxious to
> replace as they are buried behind the center console.
>
> Fan speed control?  If all speeds operate sometimes it may be
> the CC head.
> If some speeds never operate, it's likely the resistor pack.
> If the CC head reports incorrect interior temps or coolant
> temps, it may be trying to maintain set temp but based on
> faulty starting interior temps etc.
>
> Again, start with the fault codes and then compare sensor
> values and flap positions against expectation via the CC head
> diagnostic displays.  A Bentley manual will give you the step
> by step tests and checks.
>
> General FAQ:
> http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4s6/msgs/15184.phtml
>
> -Stott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Moores
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:43 PM
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] climate control issues
>
> Less urgent.... but is a perfectly normal CC unit supposed to
> be incredibly difficult and ornery to live with and operate?
> I have no previous experience with any other than the one
> that came with my 95 S6 but this thing has a mind of its
> own....like it will give me heat to my feet whenever asked,
> but I cannot get it to respond to the central position, and
> sometimes it refuses to defrost the windshield, sometimes it
> won't go into auto and other times it won't go out of
> auto,and other times I cannot get it to lower the speed or
> temp when I return to my car after work when its 70deg inside
> but I had the heat on in the morning when it was sub 40deg,
> so upon start up it blasts heat at high speed for 20min when
> its already hot in the car....
> I've purchased a used CC unit as a backup.....should I be
> swapping it out and stop putting up with this stubborn unit
> that i have or is this thing trying to operate as intendedc
> thinking it knows best....seriously, most of the function it
> allows me to perform it does so grudgingly, do I get a new CC
> unit or an exorcism?
> (above description may contain slight exaggerations - slight)
>
> patrick - blown away - moores
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:20:40 -0700
> From: Steve Mills <s.b.mills at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] climate control issues
> To: ron kirkham <rkaudifool at gmail.com>
> Cc: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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>
> The CC heads are functionally interchangeable. The only real
> difference is the later ones have a redder display- early are
> more orange.
>
> You can do fault detection through either the head or
> VAG-COM. You will need V-C to clear the codes.
>
> It sounds like you need a new blower motor in addition to
> cleaning the flap motors, but you should be able to find out
> the cause once you have a good CC head installed.
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:52:06 +0000 (UTC)
From: jtoms493 at comcast.net
Subject: [s-cars]  climate control issues
To: s-car-list at audifans.com
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Question on the CC swap. If the CC head you are swapping in already had 
error codes that weren?t cleared prior to removal wouldn?t these codes still 
appear when swapped in to the other car?

J.T.

93 S4

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:07:06 -0500
From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] climate control issues
To: Patrick Moores <pfm2316 at yahoo.com>
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
Message-ID:
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That's not normal- you should swap units to see if it is the control unit.
If it still does that, I would suspect the flapper door motors.

Taka

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Patrick Moores <pfm2316 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Less urgent.... but is a perfectly normal CC unit supposed to be 
> incredibly
> difficult and ornery to live with and operate? I have no previous
> experience
> with any other than the one that came with my 95 S6 but this thing has a
> mind of its own....like it will give me heat to my feet whenever asked, 
> but
> I cannot get it to respond to the central position, and sometimes it
> refuses
> to defrost the windshield, sometimes it won't go into auto and other
> times it won't go out of auto,and other times I cannot get it to lower
> the speed or temp when I return to my car after work when its 70deg
> inside but I had the heat on in the morning when it was sub 40deg,
> so upon start up it blasts heat at high speed for 20min when its already
> hot in the car....
> I've purchased a used CC unit as a backup.....should I be swapping
> it out and stop putting up with this stubborn unit that i have or is this
> thing trying to operate as intendedc thinking it knows best....seriously,
> most of the function it allows me to perform it does so grudgingly,
> do I get a new CC unit or an exorcism?
> (above description may contain slight exaggerations - slight)
>
> patrick - blown away - moores
>

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:13:04 -0500
From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Pius... I declare - SHENANIGANS
To: pkrasusky at ups.com
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com, jc at j2c3.com
Message-ID:
<79698a911003120513g28854a3bs832004523729ec27 at mail.gmail.com>
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You guys are right- most people do not know how to use maximum acceleration
or braking, especially braking. These so-called accidents would be
preventable if people actually learned how to drive.

A bunch of cars have the pushbutton start now- yes, on a bunch of them, you
can turn the engine off even while moving. I don't think you can do that on
an Audi unless you put it in neutral or park, though. You can definitely do
it on a Jag, Corvette and some other cars, though. I would think that
shutting the engine off on a Jag XF or XJ would be scary- you have to wait
for the transmission selector to come back up out of the center console
before you can do anything.

Also, on a manual transmission car, if you can shut it off while driving,
it's a PITA to restart- most have clutch interlocks these days so you have
to remember to depress the clutch fully in order to restart- not necessarily
that easy to remember in an emergency situation- how often does anyone stop
and restart one's car while in motion?

BTW, that was one seriously incoherent rant. :-)

Taka

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:16:23 -0500
From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] [V8] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix
To: Andy Schor <walbum1 at verizon.net>
Cc: cobram at juno.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
Message-ID:
<79698a911003120516x1ea21ff8o7ed3c7a372af7075 at mail.gmail.com>
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Andy, Ben, etc.:
I'd love to see you guys at this event- I think I will try to make it to the
western side of my state this summer. With the Rennsport Reunion IV looking
like it will never happen and the Canadian GP being prohibitively expensive,
I think I will simply settle for some ALMS races in the Northeast and some
vintage events.

Anyone else planning on going? Kase?

BTW, anyone going to the Carlisle import show?

Taka

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:18:45 -0500
From: Joe Pizzimenti <joe.pizzimenti at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Pius... I declare - SHENANIGANS
To: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
Cc: pkrasusky at ups.com, s-car-list at audifans.com, jc at j2c3.com
Message-ID:
<521f4dda1003120518p5cec4c81pe5557cbc2f9485f at mail.gmail.com>
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Speaking of incoherent rants, now presented for your NAC LAF amusement:

An amazing documentary on the real issue at hand with these runaway Toyotas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ4PtafRB9c&feature=popt02us02

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:

> You guys are right- most people do not know how to use maximum 
> acceleration
> or braking, especially braking. These so-called accidents would be
> preventable if people actually learned how to drive.
>
> A bunch of cars have the pushbutton start now- yes, on a bunch of them, 
> you
> can turn the engine off even while moving. I don't think you can do that 
> on
> an Audi unless you put it in neutral or park, though. You can definitely 
> do
> it on a Jag, Corvette and some other cars, though. I would think that
> shutting the engine off on a Jag XF or XJ would be scary- you have to wait
> for the transmission selector to come back up out of the center console
> before you can do anything.
>
> Also, on a manual transmission car, if you can shut it off while driving,
> it's a PITA to restart- most have clutch interlocks these days so you have
> to remember to depress the clutch fully in order to restart- not
> necessarily
> that easy to remember in an emergency situation- how often does anyone 
> stop
> and restart one's car while in motion?
>
> BTW, that was one seriously incoherent rant. :-)
>
> Taka
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:12:36 -0800 (PST)
From: mike schowengerdt <urdrquattro at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Pius... I declare - SHENANIGANS
To: Joe Pizzimenti <joe.pizzimenti at gmail.com>
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
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this is the best thing i have seen in along time, it should be required 
viewing for EVERY prius owner / driver

________________________________
From: Joe Pizzimenti <joe.pizzimenti at gmail.com>
To: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
Cc: pkrasusky at ups.com; s-car-list at audifans.com; jc at j2c3.com
Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 7:18:45 AM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Pius... I declare - SHENANIGANS

Speaking of incoherent rants, now presented for your NAC LAF amusement:

An amazing documentary on the real issue at hand with these runaway Toyotas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ4PtafRB9c&feature=popt02us02

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