[s-cars] Truth vs. Joy

[Cody Forbes]

BMW in my book is a bit funny. I can't think of one I'd buy given any  
particular price range, but I can think of dozens that I love to work  
on because of the test drive. Given the money to buy a newer 3 or 5er  
I'd rather buy a Renault R5 Turbo2 or a 914 with a 3.6l engine swap.  
Given the money to buy a newer ///M of any type and I'd much much  
rather buy a 996tt.

If I HAD to have a BMW it would be an e30 M3 with an M54 swap or  
anything with the 3.5ltt power plant. But then to me any car that's  
supposed to be fun basically should be pre-OBDII for ease of  
modifying. A DD for the female part of the family doesn't need to be  
anything other than BIG (our A8 seems cramped sometimes) and  
prefarably AWD.

-Cody (mobile)

On Mar 19, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would rather buy a Porsche than a performance BMW model. If we  
> stick to
> awd models, I still prefer the Audi quattro system over any other  
> system
> I've driven.  My Corvette will run circles around the BMW's you  
> mentioned
> and a gt-3 will do even better.
> As a performance luxury car, IMO the fugly cayenne does better and the
> Audi's are much nicer to sit in, dealer experience notwithstanding.
> I have other cars, so I don't need one car to do it all. I still  
> think an s5
> or s4 is a much nicer daily driver than a comparable BMW.
> I'd also choose a diesel pickup or a suburban as a tow vehicle  
> unless youre
> towing bikes or something light.
> If you're going to excuse the ugliness of current BMW's then an sti or
> evolution is a much better performance car.
>
> I guess we can agree to disagree, because I don't see any BMW other  
> than the
> x5m or the 535xi touring manual that I would ever buy.
> Taka
>
> On Mar 19, 2010 5:37 PM, <qshipq at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Taka
> I'm an equal opportunity driver...  I enjoy my Audis, and I drive  
> all the
> ones I can, and have driven the TTS, v10tdi Q7, the Q5, NeuS5,  
> NeuS6, the
> R8, the R8v10, the RS4, and plenty of tweeked ur/neu S4's.  I also  
> make a
> point to drive the competition, the most obvious being cuts of the  
> roundel
> pie.  Say what you want about the X6, I say it doesn't picture  
> well.  But I
> got a wild ride in the X6M, and must say, I truly understand why, in  
> spite
> of the press (and your opinion) it's a sold out model.
>
> A couple of nits, first the xdrive driveline is available on the 335  
> and the
> 535.  Drive a 335 with the dinan chip and oil cooler, you lay down  
> more
> pony's than the M3.  Those twin turbo I6 cars are really nice, in  
> rwd or awd
> models.  I dare say if you believe Audi has the 'right stuff' in the
> performance department, you just haven't driven that many BMW's, or  
> are
> unable to compare them objectively.  The DSG versions of the BMW M3/ 
> M5 takes
> any paddle shift of any VAG product, and shows them it can be done  
> right.
> Same with Stability Control.
>
> Remember too, Gen V of Quattro will go Haldex and also GKN for the  
> highline
> Audis (GKN).  Fine and dandy, but GKN already is under contract to  
> supply
> that awd system to BMW, and it's in production cars now.  So, what  
> will be
> the Audi advantage exactly if the drivelines are identical?
>
> WRT opinions on the looks, and subjective comments, that's the eye  
> of the
> beholder.  I'm not overly excited about much in the new Audi lineup,  
> save
> the R8.  The 5 coupes of the respective marques?  Maybe it's just  
> me, but I
> have a hard time telling them apart well.
>
> Snow?  Well, I've been known to drive on ice on occasion, and I  
> prefer the
> center locked always, and usually the rear diff too.  But in my 14  
> years of
> Steamboat observations, driving skill is a higher variable than  
> generation
> of quattro.  As Chad Clark will attest, Will Metcalf has done very  
> well in
> B5 and B6 S4's thru the years.  WRT SUV performance machines, again  
> drive a
> few.  The first time I drove a X5sport years ago, I fully understood  
> why
> most buyers turned in their 540's to get one, it did everything  
> better, and
> could tow 6000lbs to boot.  Contrast that to when I worked the Q7  
> Arrive and
> drive?  I told the boys in the comparo tent to park the non-sport  
> version of
> the x5 v8, because it didn't make the Q7 rides seem 'better'.
>
> I will agree with you that if BMW and Audi get too ego-centric in  
> their
> fights, Hyundai and Acura are going to sneak up and take the lead in  
> AWD
> performance before either german marque can react quick enough.
>
> I fully admit, I enjoyed my R8 rides fully.  But in all honesty, the  
> last
> few rides that made me grin ear to ear were not Audis.  335i dinan,  
> 135
> stock, 135dinan, M5, X6M, M6 and just a month ago, carving Deals Gap  
> in a
> brand new E92 M3 DSG.  That list of cars, really makes me wonder what
> exactly I drove that De Lorenzo didn't.
>
> When the R5 is still trying to sprout wings with some 'new' quattro  
> system
> that's in the production BMW's already, and the TTRS awaits TTS  
> sales to
> complete 'first'...  I say maybe the 'quattro advantage' is losing  
> it's lock
> in the market.  I hope that changes, and really soon.
>
> My .02
>
> Scott J
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> To: qshipq at aol.com
> Cc: jc at j2c3.c...
>
> Scott-
> What kind of mind-altering drugs are you taking? Are you serious?
>
> These BMWs you mention- th...
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