[s-cars] S4 sighting

[Michael Lardizabal]

Taka haiku'd .....


> I wouldn't put one of those V8 atrocities on anyone- no thanks. I 
think the Germans have forgotten how to build a V8 properly- the MBZ V8s
 and the BMW V8s have similar chain guide problems, although their 
problems are at the front of the engine, where it is merely a 8-10 hr. 
job rather than the stupidly ridiculous job it is to fix on the rear 
timing chain Audi V8.
> 

I honestly feel that the Germans are building very powerful and efficient V8's > especially if you take into account hp/liter .....its just that they now ( at least since 03..IMHO ) diligently design-in " planned obsolescence " .

Our 2010 Mercedes ML350 is a technological marvel for an SUV....its got barely 30K on it, I really don't see this truck running well past 100K . 

On the other hand..my old Mercedes 500e and my previous AMG C class......now those cars will go into the 500K range w/o ever opening up the motors. Where's the money in that ?

I say since 2003 because just last week I saw up close a 4.2 from an 01 A8 that skipped a belt. Pistons and cylinder walls + chain drive looked like the day they left Ingolstadt ! 

Twas really quite a sight to see how little to no wear 120K had on this motor. The valves looked like ass, but nothing that would deter it from going another 40-50K w/o flinching...and no where near as slime-sludged  as the pics the B7 Rs4 guys post up on a regular basis. The A8's gunk was more old-skewl hard build up.

Pre- FSI splendor.  

Mike L

--- On Fri, 12/30/11, Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com> wrote:

From: Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] S4 sighting
To: "Taka Mizutani" <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
Cc: "Tom Heitzman" <gyro at stuffinder.com>, "s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com" <s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com>, "Robert Myers" <bob at chips-ur-s.com>, "s-car-list at audifans.com" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Date: Friday, December 30, 2011, 1:42 AM

AFAIK all VAG engines with a timing chain put it on the back of the engine even going back to the older VR6's. 

What's wrong with the S5 V8? It's not the same as the troublesome B6 S4 V8, the FSi V8's are a clean sheet design and as far as I've seen are as reliable as any other VAG engine.

-Cody (mobile)

On Dec 29, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:

> I haven't driven the S4 with the 3L supercharged, but the A7 with the 3.0T was quite a nice setup. I imagine a more performance-oriented setup would be even better.
> 
> I wouldn't put one of those V8 atrocities on anyone- no thanks. I think the Germans have forgotten how to build a V8 properly- the MBZ V8s and the BMW V8s have similar chain guide problems, although their problems are at the front of the engine, where it is merely a 8-10 hr. job rather than the stupidly ridiculous job it is to fix on the rear timing chain Audi V8.
> 
> Cody- is the V6 supercharged a conventional timing chain setup?
> 
> 
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