[s-cars] List Wisdom Sought - M1 or Rotella T6, or does it matter (no flame wars, please)

Sat Apr 7 12:36:27 PDT 2012

I should have said convince, not sell.  I wasn't implying that you were making a sales pitch.  Sorry for that.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
To: djdawson2 <djdawson2 at aol.com>
Cc: ian <ian at inside-overlap.com>; s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:30 pm
Subject: Re: [s-cars] List Wisdom Sought - M1 or Rotella T6, or does it matter (no flame wars, please)

I did specifically say I wasn't trying to sell anybody on anything. I merely pointed out another option for people that weren't aware it existed. 

-Cody
(Sent from my phone, if a word doesn't fit blame Siri)

On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:40 PM, djdawson2 at aol.com wrote:

OK... you can disagree.  But we were talking about Rotella, not M1.  Rotella is 100% synthetic.  At 9.60/liter, that's still nearly twice as expensive as Rotella, plus I would have to pay for it to be shipped to me.

I can appreciate that you like the product.  But you're going to have a very difficult time selling me on a product that's twice as expensive with no measurable reason why I should go that direction.

Let's look at my Jeep.  330,000 miles, a 5000 mile oil change interval, and 6 quarts each change.  In those 330k miles, I would have spent nearly $2000 extra changing my oil with Motul vs. Rotella.  That's arguably more than it would cost me to rebuild a cast iron American V8.

I like good oil and want my engine to be protected, like everyone.  However, there is a point of diminishing returns.  Companies that manage large fleets agree, and that's why you'll never see "exotic" oil used in those operations.  It simply doesn't make any mathematical sense whatsoever.

Buying that sort of "special" oil, Royal Purple, Amsoil, and others, IMO, just makes you feel good.  I'm spending more $ therefore it must be better.  No one's going to tell me that any of those specialty companies have a fraction of the budget or technology to compete with Mobil or Shell.  Check out what goes on in F1 with Shell. 

Just my .02

-----Original Message-----
From: Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
To: djdawson2 <djdawson2 at aol.com>
Cc: ian <ian at inside-overlap.com>; s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [s-cars] List Wisdom Sought - M1 or Rotella T6, or does it matter (no flame wars, please)

I disagree, it's actually more like $9.60/l. Yeah it's a little more expensive than M1, but it's 100% synthetic unlike Mobil 1. Anyways I'll leave anybody interested to do some research, enjoy!

-Cody
(Sent from my phone, if a word doesn't fit blame Siri)

On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:55 PM, djdawson2 at aol.com wrote:

It's probably the fact that it's $11+ per liter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
To: Ian Duff <ian at inside-overlap.com>
Cc: Scarlist <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:51 pm
Subject: Re: [s-cars] List Wisdom Sought - M1 or Rotella T6, or does it matter (no flame wars, please)

I know it's not an option listed, by I'd like to throw Motul in the mix. They 
are ramping up US availability and have a good product. I'll admit that I am a 
dealer for them, but that isn't why I'm writing this. I pursued becoming a 
dealer for them because I believe in the product which I was using long before I 
became a dealer. I'm not even going to list my employers info nor suggest 
purchasing from me as I don't have much stock yet. 

-Cody
(Sent from my phone, if a word doesn't fit blame Siri)

On Apr 6, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Ian Duff <ian at inside-overlap.com> wrote:

> Switched over to Rotella T6 for my TDIs a while back, been very happy. Waiting 
for the Lubricheck www.lubricheck.com to arrive so I can quantify "happy". TDI 
Club forums are littered with "happy with Rotella T6" posts, virtually all 
anecdotal.
> 
> Rotella T6 is advertised as completely synthetic, isn't M1 now a blend of 
synthetic on a dino base? Without empirical data, not sure how big a deal that 
is, or even if I'm right...
> 
> -Ian Duff.
> 
> On 06 Apr, 2012, at 16:34, LL - NY wrote:
> 
>> As subject line says.  About to go shopping (used the last of my old
>> stock of M1), figured I'd ask.
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