[s-cars] Winter Tires??

[John Cunningham]

Scott what is up with the tilting at windmills here. We've hardly had any detailed arguments of one specific tire over another except broad strokes of "can you get away with A-S or one of the less aggressive tires or do you want to look for a real deep tread tire". You seem to be arguing with someone who is not in this conversation who wants to argue the specific advantages of a Snowblaster 9975x3 vs a SiberianTread K591.   Also ironic that you've ranted so much about how no one should ever discuss what snow tire might actually be good or bad and such conversations should be banned yet then occasionally drop that Blizzak is "the standard" and you shall brook no argument otherwise. I absolutely respect your knowledge and no one has even begun to argue with your primary point that driver skill trumps tire quality but why you need to rant that taking about snow tires is fundamentally wrong I don't know. 

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On Oct 17, 2012, at 22:33, Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com> wrote:

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> My passion is teaching awd chassis dynamics in low cf conditions.  All tire tests are compared to the standard = Blizzack.  This better than that is the 'hyperbole myth', as 90 percent of the winter compounds that are rated highest are the silica type.  Play with the 10% to tread pattern/depth, it might pass 'a' test better than another tire, but the driver skillset is a larger variable, it's that simple.
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> I get into winter tire discussions for months prior to Steamboat every year, and I've become very numb to claims of 'better' ice/winter tires.  Get any silica compound tire, bolt it on, and come on out to Steamboat.  There's no 'winner' tire, they are all good, the real question:  How good are you?  IME, it's not a tire differential problem, it's really that most drivers think they are better than they really are.
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> Winter tire test reports are much tougher to apply than the summer versions.  Because in the real world in winter driving, we have ice, snow, deep snow, slush, select-low rear abs, stiff suspensions, mixed mu events, and very little awd chassis dynamics training.  
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> Quattro already will get you places fwd/rwd can't, most can pass the 30% winter grade test on bone stock summer tires.  Me, I can look at any quattro with the top rated winter tires, and not care where he's from, where he drives, or in what.  He's properly equipped for winter driving.  Without the skillsets however, the driver is no more safe than running on summer tires.  BTTowedT
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> My Landcruiser sports 100ft of 12k winch cable for just such occasions.  
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> SUMMARY:  The best winter tire?  The ones you bought and installed to replace the summer tires you took off for winter.  The rest is hyperbole (tm -Taka)
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> Cheers, and my .02 arbitraged thru the snow packed silica valleys
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> Scott J
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> To: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 9:28 am
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Winter Tires??
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> Now you're getting into hyperbole, Scott. While your point about driving
> skill is definitely a good one and valid.
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> That said, there is a reason why some of the European car mags do tire
> testing on winter tires- some tires simply do better on certain types of
> surfaces than others. With that information, it makes it a lot easier to
> match a tire to your particular driving conditions.
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> Tala 
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