[s-cars] Winter Tires??

[Robert Myers]

For heaven's sake don't mention torsen. :-D


At 07:27 AM 10/18/2012, John Cunningham wrote:
>Scott what is up with the tilting at windmills here. We've hardly 
>had any detailed arguments of one specific tire over another except 
>broad strokes of "can you get away with A-S or one of the less 
>aggressive tires or do you want to look for a real deep tread tire". 
>You seem to be arguing with someone who is not in this conversation 
>who wants to argue the specific advantages of a Snowblaster 9975x3 
>vs a SiberianTread K591.   Also ironic that you've ranted so much 
>about how no one should ever discuss what snow tire might actually 
>be good or bad and such conversations should be banned yet then 
>occasionally drop that Blizzak is "the standard" and you shall brook 
>no argument otherwise. I absolutely respect your knowledge and no 
>one has even begun to argue with your primary point that driver 
>skill trumps tire quality but why you need to rant that taking about 
>snow tires is fundamentally wrong I don't know.
>
>Sent from iPad
>
>On Oct 17, 2012, at 22:33, Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > My passion is teaching awd chassis dynamics in low cf 
> conditions.  All tire tests are compared to the standard = 
> Blizzack.  This better than that is the 'hyperbole myth', as 90 
> percent of the winter compounds that are rated highest are the 
> silica type.  Play with the 10% to tread pattern/depth, it might 
> pass 'a' test better than another tire, but the driver skillset is 
> a larger variable, it's that simple.
> >
> > I get into winter tire discussions for months prior to Steamboat 
> every year, and I've become very numb to claims of 'better' 
> ice/winter tires.  Get any silica compound tire, bolt it on, and 
> come on out to Steamboat.  There's no 'winner' tire, they are all 
> good, the real question:  How good are you?  IME, it's not a tire 
> differential problem, it's really that most drivers think they are 
> better than they really are.
> >
> > Winter tire test reports are much tougher to apply than the 
> summer versions.  Because in the real world in winter driving, we 
> have ice, snow, deep snow, slush, select-low rear abs, stiff 
> suspensions, mixed mu events, and very little awd chassis dynamics training.
> >
> > Quattro already will get you places fwd/rwd can't, most can pass 
> the 30% winter grade test on bone stock summer tires.  Me, I can 
> look at any quattro with the top rated winter tires, and not care 
> where he's from, where he drives, or in what.  He's properly 
> equipped for winter driving.  Without the skillsets however, the 
> driver is no more safe than running on summer tires.  BTTowedT
> >
> > My Landcruiser sports 100ft of 12k winch cable for just such occasions.
> >
> > SUMMARY:  The best winter tire?  The ones you bought and 
> installed to replace the summer tires you took off for winter.  The 
> rest is hyperbole (tm -Taka)
> >
> > Cheers, and my .02 arbitraged thru the snow packed silica valleys
> >
> > Scott J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> > To: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 9:28 am
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Winter Tires??
> >
> >
> > Now you're getting into hyperbole, Scott. While your point about driving
> > skill is definitely a good one and valid.
> >
> > That said, there is a reason why some of the European car mags do tire
> > testing on winter tires- some tires simply do better on certain types of
> > surfaces than others. With that information, it makes it a lot easier to
> > match a tire to your particular driving conditions.
> >
> >> ...
> >
> > Tala
> >
> >
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