[s-cars] Out of town buyer
tom at tomwintermedia.com
tom at tomwintermedia.com
Mon Jul 29 08:10:01 PDT 2013
Open an account at your local bank. Have him wire the money into the
account.
When the money is there, close the account and take the money.
Do the paperwork for the sale as described here by many others.
Have him pick up the car or have his shipper pick up the car. Provide the
title, bill of sale etc at that time. Make sure you have a signed copy of
the bill of sale from buyer prior to turning over title and vehicle to new
owner.
Good luck.
Tom 2001.5 S4 avant
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> From: Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net>
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer - MA laws
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> And remember that 'as-is' means, in a legal sense, 'as-disclosed' or
> 'as-listed'.
>
> So if you write up a glowing description of a POS car, you can not
> protect yourself by writing as-is on the bill of sale. That's still
> fraud. The car has to materiallymatch your disclosure.
>
> If you do NOT write anything up except year/make/model/miles, then as
> long as that stuff matches, youare OK with as-is.
>
> Doesn't mean somsone can't sue you, as this is America, but you'll
> likely prevail as private seller.
>
> Bruce
> On 7/29/2013 9:27 AM, Scott Justusson wrote:
>> Not really true... My BoS (pl) go along this line... "... Sold "As Is" with
>> no further warranty by the Seller or further obligations to/by either party.
>>
>> Be careful what you say here, it absolutely is 'meaningful' in every state...
>> EVERY Private Party BoS should contain the 'As Is' phrase, because private
>> party sales (non professional) get a huge leeway in the Courts to Spirit and
>> Intent. Meaningful or not, *excluding* that phrase in a BoS is the biggest
>> mistake made by Sellers. Put it in every time without exception. The
>> guidelines for Private Pary sale in MA are clear, private parties are not
>> subject to the same 'Lemon Laws' that dealers are. MA laws only protect the
>> Buyer from the Seller withholding 'known problems' that affect the safety or
>> *substantially* impairs it's use at the time of the Sale (directly from a MA
>> deal file). The burden of proof is the Buyers. If the Buyer fails to
>> provide that burden of proof, he pays the attorney fees of the Seller as
>> well.
>>
>> IME, MA Laws to Private Party don't change the Bill of Sale. The Seller can
>> and should disclose all major defects that affect the negotiated price in
>> that Bill of Sale, then put the As Is clause in.
>>
>> My .02
>>
>> Scott J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Sylvester <mike at urq20v.com>
>> To: Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com>
>> Cc: s-car list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:01 am
>> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.
>>
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> 'as is' is not meaningful in all states. e.g. MA does not allow 'as is'
>> auto sales.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
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> From: "Mike Sylvester" <mike at urq20v.com>
> To: "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at comcast.net>, s-car-list at audifans.com
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> http://www.mass.gov/ocabr/consumer/autos/buy-sell/lemon-aid-law.html
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> Mike
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer - MA laws
>> From: Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net>
>> Date: Mon, July 29, 2013 10:03 am
>> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
>>
>>
>> And remember that 'as-is' means, in a legal sense, 'as-disclosed' or
>> 'as-listed'.
>>
>> So if you write up a glowing description of a POS car, you can not
>> protect yourself by writing as-is on the bill of sale. That's still
>> fraud. The car has to materiallymatch your disclosure.
>>
>> If you do NOT write anything up except year/make/model/miles, then as
>> long as that stuff matches, youare OK with as-is.
>>
>> Doesn't mean somsone can't sue you, as this is America, but you'll
>> likely prevail as private seller.
>>
>> Bruce
>> On 7/29/2013 9:27 AM, Scott Justusson wrote:
>>> Not really true... My BoS (pl) go along this line... "... Sold "As Is"
>>> with no further warranty by the Seller or further obligations to/by either
>>> party.
>>>
>>> Be careful what you say here, it absolutely is 'meaningful' in every
>>> state... EVERY Private Party BoS should contain the 'As Is' phrase, because
>>> private party sales (non professional) get a huge leeway in the Courts to
>>> Spirit and Intent. Meaningful or not, *excluding* that phrase in a BoS is
>>> the biggest mistake made by Sellers. Put it in every time without
>>> exception. The guidelines for Private Pary sale in MA are clear, private
>>> parties are not subject to the same 'Lemon Laws' that dealers are. MA laws
>>> only protect the Buyer from the Seller withholding 'known problems' that
>>> affect the safety or *substantially* impairs it's use at the time of the
>>> Sale (directly from a MA deal file). The burden of proof is the Buyers. If
>>> the Buyer fails to provide that burden of proof, he pays the attorney fees
>>> of the Seller as well.
>>>
>>> IME, MA Laws to Private Party don't change the Bill of Sale. The Seller can
>>> and should disclose all major defects that affect the negotiated price in
>>> that Bill of Sale, then put the As Is clause in.
>>>
>>> My .02
>>>
>>> Scott J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Sylvester <mike at urq20v.com>
>>> To: Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com>
>>> Cc: s-car list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:01 am
>>> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.
>>>
>>>
>>> FYI
>>>
>>> 'as is' is not meaningful in all states. e.g. MA does not allow 'as is'
>>> auto sales.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> That is an awesome story! Thanks for sharing Bruce!!!
>
>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:52:54 -0400
>> From: Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net>
>> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.
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>> Wire system closes at 2PM EST, no?
>>
>> As a dealer, I'm required to get DL# to issue a temp tag. As far as it
>> being useful, it's just one more point of data you can check. When you
>> call buyer's insurance company or agent to verify insurance has been
>> placed on the car (and that's a pretty sophisticated scam if they fake
>> that one), you can verify that DL# is attached to that insurance policy
>> which is attached to that buyer. Can't hurt to verify.
>>
>> As a general rule, holding title is a bad idea, so that's good advice.
>> But it's really bad only if you are holding a blank title still in your
>> name with the back not completed to buyer, meaning technically you still
>> own the car. If you hold it only as security interest, and it has been
>> completed in full in the buyer's name, and you give buyer a copy
>> (stamped "COPY" in large letters on it), then you should not be liable
>> any more than a bank as a lienholder is liable when holding a title
>> filled out in your name. Of course if sale falls through you have to go
>> get a duplicate title, but odds are very low that will happen if you did
>> all your other checking.
>>
>> True story: Sold a cool old AMG Mercedes 560SEL on ebay like 8 years
>> ago. Never heard from buyer, no payment, no nothing, ebay no help like
>> usual. About three weeks later, on a cold December night, I get a call
>> around 10PM. Hi, it's Mike, I won your 560SEL on ebay....can you come
>> pick me up from the Philadelphia airport? I want to pick up the car.
>>
>> Uh, sure, I'll be right over. I call my mechanic and ask him to go over
>> to shop just to make sure everything looks OK for test drive and stuff,
>> although it should be.
>>
>> I go to Philly airport. Driving along arrivals lane, I see tall white
>> haired guy, long ponytail hair, in t-shirt, jeans, and sandals. No
>> luggage at all. Just a backpack, but it was weird, like usual big
>> backpack straps but on his back attached to the straps was like a
>> man-purse, looks like a backpack that got hit by a shrink ray. Keep in
>> mind it was about 20 degrees out, at night, some snow on ground. Guy
>> looks like he used to be hippie back in the day maybe.
>>
>> This is my guy of course.
>>
>> We drive back to mechanic's in relative silence, he does not really want
>> to talk. Very weird.
>>
>> We get to shop, get out. He looks at car and says OK, looks fine, let me
>> pay you. I ask him don't you want to drive it, look under hood, etc? No,
>> he says, it's fine.
>>
>> We go into shop, he takes off 'backpack', takes out $10K bank check made
>> out to me personally (this was before I was a dealer) and pays me. Looks
>> legit, but what the hell did I know back then? I sign over title to him,
>> give him copy, give him MS Word bill of sale that he signs, tell him I
>> will send him original title after he gets back and check clears. The
>> only thing I can not remember now is if he had his own plate, I left
>> plate on car, or what. I think it had plate from previous owner to me
>> and I left it on, but I am not sure. Too long ago.
>>
>> He gets in car, and asks me how to start heading west. I ask where he's
>> going, and he says California. The car has summer half-bald performance
>> tires on it, RWD with no traction control. I tell him how to head west,
>> and ask him to at least call or email me when he gets back to let me
>> know he made it, and I will send him title.
>>
>> I never hear from the guy again. Ever.
>>
>> About a month later, I get a letter in the mail from the San Bernadino
>> sherrif dept. It says "Your car was used in the commission of a felony.
>> It is being held at impound, and if you want to pick it up you need to
>> bring proof of ownership and $628 plus blah blah blah."
>>
>> I call and ask what the felony was, but they won't tell me. I tell them
>> I do not own the car any more, but they tell me someone has picked it up
>> and paid the impound fee already. I ask how that is possible since they
>> sent the letter to me as the owner, and no one can answer that. But it's
>> gone, so who cares.
>>
>> A week later, I get a letter from Allstate. Your car sideswiped our
>> insured's car and left the scene. You owe us $5300, plus any fees, blah
>> blah blah. Now this one was much tougher. I had to prove to them I sold
>> the car. Showed them bill of sale, bank deposit for $10K check, copy of
>> completed back of title, etc. After a week of investigation, they let me
>> off the hook.
>>
>> I think the only thing that saved me was that the title was signed over
>> to his name. I then sent original title out to his address, did not want
>> it in my possession any more!
>>
>> That's it, right?
>>
>> A few weeks later, I get a letter from San Fran sherrif's office. Your
>> car was used in the commission of a felony. It is at the impound lot and
>> and if you want it......
>>
>> I threw the letter out and never responded, and did not hear from anyone
>> again.
>>
>> Until......
>>
>> About two years after that, I get a call from a guy that says his
>> grandfather, Mike, owned an AMG 560SEL and he passed away. They wanted
>> to know if I had any documentation, title, etc as they could not find
>> anything in his papers. I finally ask about Mike, and all guy would tell
>> me is that he was 'a free spirit and a pretty cool guy'.
>>
>> I give my condolences, and that was that.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/29/2013 8:08 AM, Scott Justusson wrote:
>>> Never, ever, ever, never ever hold a Title until a check clears.
>>> Unless, you also hold the car until it does. You become liable for all
>>> actions of the Buyer with that vehicle if you have not transferred
>>> ownership of it. Most think 'I will let Buyer take the car but hold
>>> the Title until his check clears'. Sounds like you covered yourself,
>>> but if the Buyer has the car, and it's a scam, do you really think he
>>> needs the Title? Assuming he didn't already take out the
>>> Neuro-surgeons on the way to the chop shop.
>>>
>>> Easy Button says: Sellers don't take checks because you assume more
>>> risk than you should.
>>>
>>> SJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Eric Sanborn <esanborn at gmail.com>
>>> To: Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net>
>>> Cc: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:54 am
>>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.
>>>
>>> You can wait to mail the title until the check clears.
>>> On Jul 29, 2013 12:27 AM, "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at comcast.net <mailto:
>> brucem105 at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:25:40 -0400
> From: Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net>
> To: Mike Sylvester <mike at urq20v.com>
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer - MA laws
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> So for MA to MA sales, sounds like you haveprotection.
>
> But LOL at how they word it, it sounds like THEY are going to be
> providing the refundif you do all that stuff
>
> If seller scammed you, it's a court battle, whether you follow all those
> crazy steps or not. I guess if you do you'll automatically win?
>
> Crazy.
>
> Bruce
> On 7/29/2013 10:19 AM, Mike Sylvester wrote:
>> http://www.mass.gov/ocabr/consumer/autos/buy-sell/lemon-aid-law.html
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer - MA laws
>>> From: Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net>
>>> Date: Mon, July 29, 2013 10:03 am
>>> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
>>>
>>>
>>> And remember that 'as-is' means, in a legal sense, 'as-disclosed' or
>>> 'as-listed'.
>>>
>>> So if you write up a glowing description of a POS car, you can not
>>> protect yourself by writing as-is on the bill of sale. That's still
>>> fraud. The car has to materiallymatch your disclosure.
>>>
>>> If you do NOT write anything up except year/make/model/miles, then as
>>> long as that stuff matches, youare OK with as-is.
>>>
>>> Doesn't mean somsone can't sue you, as this is America, but you'll
>>> likely prevail as private seller.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>> On 7/29/2013 9:27 AM, Scott Justusson wrote:
>>>> Not really true... My BoS (pl) go along this line... "... Sold "As Is"
>>>> with no further warranty by the Seller or further obligations to/by either
>>>> party.
>>>>
>>>> Be careful what you say here, it absolutely is 'meaningful' in every
>>>> state... EVERY Private Party BoS should contain the 'As Is' phrase,
>>>> because private party sales (non professional) get a huge leeway in the
>>>> Courts to Spirit and Intent. Meaningful or not, *excluding* that phrase
>>>> in a BoS is the biggest mistake made by Sellers. Put it in every time
>>>> without exception. The guidelines for Private Pary sale in MA are clear,
>>>> private parties are not subject to the same 'Lemon Laws' that dealers are.
>>>> MA laws only protect the Buyer from the Seller withholding 'known problems'
>>>> that affect the safety or *substantially* impairs it's use at the time of
>>>> the Sale (directly from a MA deal file). The burden of proof is the
>>>> Buyers. If the Buyer fails to provide that burden of proof, he pays the
>>>> attorney fees of the Seller as well.
>>>>
>>>> IME, MA Laws to Private Party don't change the Bill of Sale. The Seller
>>>> can and should disclose all major defects that affect the negotiated price
>>>> in that Bill of Sale, then put the As Is clause in.
>>>>
>>>> My .02
>>>>
>>>> Scott J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mike Sylvester <mike at urq20v.com>
>>>> To: Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com>
>>>> Cc: s-car list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:01 am
>>>> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FYI
>>>>
>>>> 'as is' is not meaningful in all states. e.g. MA does not allow 'as is'
>>>> auto sales.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:43:33 -0700
> From: "Mike Sylvester" <mike at urq20v.com>
> To: "John Cunningham" <jc at j2c3.com>
> Cc: "s-car-list at audifans.com" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer - MA laws
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> That may be true, but if we are going to go into it assuming that the
> law will not be followed, then why even bother writing 'as is'?
>
> I too have never heard of anyone invoking the lemon law on a PP sale.
>
> Mike
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer - MA laws
>> From: John Cunningham <jc at j2c3.com>
>> Date: Mon, July 29, 2013 10:35 am
>> To: Mike Sylvester <mike at urq20v.com>
>> Cc: Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net>, "s-car-list at audifans.com"
>> <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>
>>
>> Yeah. As a Mass rez, all I can say is best of friggin luck w enforcing the
>> PP sale part. The used car dealers are all licensed and registered and so
>> you can make their life a hassle if you start filing complaints with the
>> agencies.
>>
>> But trying to get our fine Commonwealth to help you out on a "he said / she
>> said" PP claim? Maybe works if you know Sully and Tommy downtown at the small
>> claims court, but I don't know anybody who has ever been able to work that
>> angle, despite everybody knowing the theoretical rules...
>>
>> Sent from a flat touchy device of some sort
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 16:19, "Mike Sylvester" <mike at urq20v.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.mass.gov/ocabr/consumer/autos/buy-sell/lemon-aid-law.html
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer - MA laws
>>>> From: Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net>
>>>> Date: Mon, July 29, 2013 10:03 am
>>>> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And remember that 'as-is' means, in a legal sense, 'as-disclosed' or
>>>> 'as-listed'.
>>>>
>>>> So if you write up a glowing description of a POS car, you can not
>>>> protect yourself by writing as-is on the bill of sale. That's still
>>>> fraud. The car has to materiallymatch your disclosure.
>>>>
>>>> If you do NOT write anything up except year/make/model/miles, then as
>>>> long as that stuff matches, youare OK with as-is.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't mean somsone can't sue you, as this is America, but you'll
>>>> likely prevail as private seller.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>> On 7/29/2013 9:27 AM, Scott Justusson wrote:
>>>>> Not really true... My BoS (pl) go along this line... "... Sold "As Is"
>>>>> with no further warranty by the Seller or further obligations to/by either
>>>>> party.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be careful what you say here, it absolutely is 'meaningful' in every
>>>>> state... EVERY Private Party BoS should contain the 'As Is' phrase,
>>>>> because private party sales (non professional) get a huge leeway in the
>>>>> Courts to Spirit and Intent. Meaningful or not, *excluding* that phrase
>>>>> in a BoS is the biggest mistake made by Sellers. Put it in every time
>>>>> without exception. The guidelines for Private Pary sale in MA are clear,
>>>>> private parties are not subject to the same 'Lemon Laws' that dealers are.
>>>>> MA laws only protect the Buyer from the Seller withholding 'known
>>>>> problems' that affect the safety or *substantially* impairs it's use at
>>>>> the time of the Sale (directly from a MA deal file). The burden of proof
>>>>> is the Buyers. If the Buyer fails to provide that burden of proof, he
>>>>> pays the attorney fees of the Seller as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> IME, MA Laws to Private Party don't change the Bill of Sale. The Seller
>>>>> can and should disclose all major defects that affect the negotiated price
>>>>> in that Bill of Sale, then put the As Is clause in.
>>>>>
>>>>> My .02
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott J
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mike Sylvester <mike at urq20v.com>
>>>>> To: Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com>
>>>>> Cc: s-car list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:01 am
>>>>> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI
>>>>>
>>>>> 'as is' is not meaningful in all states. e.g. MA does not allow 'as is'
>>>>> auto sales.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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