[urq] urq] Window regulator replacement

[Brandon Rogers]

ISTR that the '83 cars used different window regs than the '84 and '85 cars.
Does somebody know off hand if this is correct?  And are the '84/'85 window
regs more common-ie less $$$?

Brandon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at comcast.net>
To: <n-engelbert at terrans.net>
Cc: <urq at audifans.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 11:05 AM
Subject: [urq] urq] Window regulator replacement


I just went through this (or very similar).  I even took some pics, but
don't have digitized(yet).  I think I wrote down the dimensions, but as
these things go, the exact facts and figure may be lost, but I think this
will help...

I took the regulator out of a '84 CGT.  While installing into the '83 UrQ I
observed the new regulator was similar, but very different dimensions and
the holes were different location AND the window lift support/slider was
mounted in different location on the two cars.  Why they did this, I don't
know, as the doors are physically the same diminsion AFAICT.

I basically ended up drilling new holes for the CGT regulator, which is
mounted so the window support piece fits in the same place the UrQ regulator
did.  Now the holes for the motor mounting needed to be drilled at
appropriate locations.

You will note that the newer CGT regulator has 3 rubber mounts and 6? holes
that can be used to screw them into.  You will need to move 2 of the mounts
to different holes on the motor so that when new holes are drilled in the
proper location, they will have the proper depth so all allow for flush
mounting and clearance.  I had to flip one of the rubber mounts around
because the bolt section was longer one side than the other.  I think I
actually swapped the relative location of two of the mounts because the
depth of the mounts was opposite.  I then had to use a combination of
rubber&metal washers to further offset one of the mounts - this helped make
each mount point offset to the proper depth in the door.

Study carfully and measure before drilling each hole and just do one hole at
a time.  As the above outlines, the relative position of the holes changes
since the indentations/depressions in the door change with the new mounting
position.  You will find the correct mounting posistion which may be
somewhat of a compromise, but for me pretty much worked out so when I bolted
in the window lift support, the holes could be drilled so there was a good
flat spot available for each of the rubber mounts.

Carefully and repetatively, I provisionally installed the regulator many
times - trial fitment while drilling one hole at a time, using a black
marker to locate best guestimate for drilling.  I pretty much got right on
using a pilot bit to start each hole while feeling the bit was coming
through at the exact location of the mount bolt.  It took about 7
provisional install & removes before having the three new holes drilled in
exact location they needed to be.

I rust proofed and installed the regulator permanantly.  It works great.

I used 1/4 drill bit for the new holes.

If you think the picture will help, LMK and I'll see if I can send it to
you.  I will likely be doint this for the passenger door when that reg craps
out, as the CGT regs. are way more available than the UrQ regs.  A new UrQ
reg was around $450 at the dealer, so not a good option for me, when I can
pick a good used reg up for under $75, if that.

HTH and happy regulator hole relocation for updated installation!

Ben

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Subject: [urq] Window regulator replacement
To: <urq at audifans.com>
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I'm in the middle of replacing the drivers' side window regulator on my 83
UrQ as the cable has snapped.  A few months ago I picked up a new/used
regulator off ebay for a coupe pretty cheap.  I have the regulator in the
door, but I need to drill some holes for the different location of the
motor.  Is there any BTDT or maybe even a template that people have used to
determine where to drill the new holes?

Thanks,

Nathan Engelbert
83 UrQ DA900453
89 90q
91 200q20v]
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