[urq] Re: [s-cars] 80tq: 20v Project Update, 415whp, 12.25, etc

[Justin]

415whp...(or 400bhp or 390whp...or ...whatever...) is simply amazing!!!
Consider...the 2004 911 turbo's are also rated @ 415 hp (SAE) @ 6,000 rpm
..(according to their website....)

Javad
I'm a great fan of your website, and your research....
keep up the great work...
cheers!! :)
Justin
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Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: [urq] Re: [s-cars] 80tq: 20v Project Update, 415whp, 12.25, etc


>
> Hey Dave,
>
> I just wanted to clarify (and speak for myself), that I didn't post here
to
> attack anyone or call anyone into question - I just wanted to share some
> excitement with other Audi-turbo-heads about my project, that's all!   =)
(really
> big, bad-tone defying smile)
>
> In my original post, I stated that I was quoting an "uncorrected  figure".
> I'm of the opinion that SAE correction figures for turbocharged  motors
are not
> valid, nothing personal against you, I'm not the only one in  the "tuning
> community" that feels this way, and I've taken the advice of
tuners/engineers
> with much more experience and understanding of this topic than  I do.  Do
a
> little research, you'll quickly find I'm not the only one  saying this.
>
> I also have to admit that I know very little about your project or its
> results - care to share your experiences? I'm sure you have plenty with
the  S-car
> list in the past, but I'd love to hear about it, sounds like you've got a
> project with a lot of passion and energy invested into it.
>
> Cheers,
> Javad
>
> In a message dated 11/11/2004 8:03:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, Djdawson2
> writes:
>
> Sorry, but you need to go back  to school.  If the air is being forced in
or
> not, the conditions, if not  standardized, do have an impact.  They may
have a
> different impact (as a  percentage), but to say they don't apply to turbo
> engines is absolutely and  unquestionably inaccurate.  Does your car run
the same
> on a 100 degree  day as a 30 degree day?  Of course not.  That means that
> some sort  of correction is REQUIRED to normalize the tests.  Otherwise,
we can
> just  wait for that 20 degree day, test the car "uncorrected," and claim
> victory  because Brett said that temp, pressure, and humidity don't matter
to turbo
> cars.
>
> I  can appreciate your list of typical dyno tricks, but we're not quite
that
> stupid.  There are a few of us here, interested in taking a scientific
> approach to engine tuning.  The "cheating" concepts that you've spoken of
don't
> pertain to my concept of scientific, and an exaggerated number doesn't
provide
> me any benefit.  If you had looked at my latest graph, you'd see  72 F,
24.4
> in Hg, and 7% humidity... all very reasonable, no  tampering.
>
> Seems like some of you think there is a conspiracy theory  WRT dyno
testing
> by us Denver folks.  Well, there isn't a conspiracy,  more likely an
interest
> in finding what correction is reasonable... and one is  required.  Anyone
> claiming that there is no difference between  uncorrected power at
altitude vs.
> uncorrected at sea level just because  there's a turbo involved, needs to
revisit
> their textbooks.
>
> To satisfy  my curiosity, I'll go to a sea level dyno and see just exactly
> what the  difference is... but I'm going to guess someone will still "cry
foul."
>
> BTW, I'm not interested in confrontational speculation, just  real
results.
> So don't take my comments personally.  However, don't  just throw "stuff"
out
> there as fact, that simply isn't fact.  The  conditions surrounding the
test
> ALWAYS have an impact, and to claim that they  don't, is ignorant.
>
> Remember, I'm in this for the fun... so let's have  fun, damn it!
> Dave in OH, today
>
>
>
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