[urq] '83 Wiring diagram errors in Bentley

[Robert Pastore]

My Bentley is about 5 years old, so it probably ins't a 'first edition', or
if there is more than one edition.   It shows ISBN 0-8376-0373-0, and has a
copyright of 1989.

The diagram in question is "1984 Turbo Quattro" main wiring diagram, and it
is on pages 97.66-97.74.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "j.koenig" <j.koenig at adelphia.net>
To: <urq at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [urq] '83 Wiring diagram errors in Bentley


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> > From: j.koenig[SMTP:J.KOENIG at ADELPHIA.NET]
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> Not to throw a wrench into the works, but...
>
> My recollection from 'back in the day' is that there have been two
versions of the
> 1984-1987 Bentley manual -- the first printing is one version, and second
and probably all
> later printings are the second version.  Some content, including wiring
diagrams, was
> updated between the two.  Since there is no single "The Bentley" it might
be worth making
> sure you're talking apples and apples.  If in doubt, refer to the ID
numbers on the
> lower-right of the diagrams (e.g. 97-####).
>
> Hope this helps.  None of my comments is intended to contradict anything
anyone else has
> said on the subject.
>
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Pastore" <rpastore at animalfeeds.com>
> To: <urq at audifans.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [urq] '83 Wiring diagram errors in Bentley
>
>
>
> I've purchased an early build '83 (#129) with a build date of 2/82.
>
> The good:   Car have low original miles, the body is all there and in good
> shape, and there is no rust anywhere.
>
> The bad:  Car hasn't run in 17 years, has the under dash fuse box, and the
> harness under the dash looks like a bowl of spaghetti that was attacked
with
> a chain saw.
>
>
> Eventually, the car will be a 20vt conversion, and I already have the CGT
> harness ready for the project.   Bit I can't resist the urge to get the
car
> running before I begin the project.
>
> I've got no voltage on terminal 15 (switched +12V) at the coil, at pin 14
of
> the ecu, or at the fuel pump relay.  I've changed the ignition switch and
> repaired the harness from the switch to the fuse box.  The #15 black wire
> has voltage going into the fuse box, and the terminal (F2) where the wire
> from the ignition switch doesn't look burnt or damaged. (I'm almost
> convinced the fuse box is bad internally)
>
> Bentley ('84 diagram, said to be good for '83) shows a black wire from
> terminal A11 of the fuse box that runs to pin 14 of the ECU.   The wire in
> A11 is not black, but light gauge blue/red, that seems to be for backup
> lights, and has nothing to do with ignition.  Steve Eiche was kind enough
to
> confirm that his spare '83 harness also has blue/red, and not black, in
A11.
>
> With Steve's help, I've traced the ECU pin 14 black wire to a strange
white
> plastic spade terminal "dongle" that multiplies the available pins for
> terminal 15  (There is a similar dongle for B+ (terminal 30) to distribute
> power too).  IF you look at Bentley, this might correspond to connector
F2,
> but it sure as hell aint a two-pin connector. These dongles have short
leads
> on one end that plug into the rear of fuse box spade terminals, and then
> they have multiple spade terminals available at the other end.
>
> The power circuit wiring for the ignition system is nothing at all like
the
> Bentley shows, and I was wondering if anyone had documented the
differences,
> or if a wiring diagram exists to show the reality.
>
> rgds,
> Bob
>
>
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