[urq] FW: Audi A4 brakes for the urq

[Buchholz, Steven]

... here are a few reposted items ... 

First, the following link appears to be intact:

	http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jh.666/brakes.htm

The post below discusses the use of the A4 brakes with 15" wheels.  I know that there is at least one urq running this configuration ... 

HTH!
Steve B
San José, CA (USA)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: urq-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:urq-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of
> Justin Riley
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:45 PM
> To: Bill Bennett; Brandon Rogers; urq at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: [urq] Audi A4 brakes for the urq
> 
> True enough, but I am using the Zimmereman cross drilled rotors with the
> stock calipers and pads ('cause they were free).  The Zimmerman rotors
> are only $67 each, and have held up well for the last year.
> 
> The A4 calipers are also a single piston (54mm) that match the original
> calipers, so no issues exist with the master cylinder's ability to
> "push" them.  They have the advantage of more pad sweep area, which on
> our lighter cars (Lighter than the A4) means longer braking without
> fade, and in my opinion, much smoother stops from high speeds.
> 
> This combo fits under my 15 inch R8 wheels, and coupled with the 200TQ
> rear calipers with Ur-s4 rear rotors, makes for a very well balanced and
> effective braking setup.
> 
> My thanks go to Scott Justison for the recommendation and rear brake
> parts.
> 
> I do not use a proportioning valve with this setup, nor do I feel it is
> necessary.  The car just stops smooth and strong.  Plus there are many
> A4 pad options when I want to play hard at the track.
> 
> My .02,
> -Justin Riley
> www.ur-q.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: urq-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:urq-bounces at audifans.com] On
> Behalf Of Bill Bennett
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 4:41 PM
> To: Brandon Rogers; urq at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [urq] Audi A4 brakes for the urq
> 
> the A4 line of brakes might stop well, they do not wear well, the rotors
> get
> to wear limits fast and warp easily in normal road usage, plan on
> replacing
> them every 20 to 40 K miles, that's what we see on street driven A4's by
> regular every day drivers, now our client with a blower on his 1999 2.8
> A4,
> rotors and pads every 15K, we have offered brake upgrades to him, but he
> has
> declined, he just sucks the straw every year, new rotors and pads...
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandon Rogers" <brogers at terrix.com>
> To: <urq at audifans.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [urq] Audi A4 brakes for the urq
> 
> 
> > Somewhere in Phil's post he touched on the big issue, IMO.  ***What
> will
> fit
> > under 15 inch wheels???***  Personally, if it won't fit under stock
> wheels
> > it's a deal killer.  I have no personal experience with stock brakes
> but I
> > understand they are fine for street use.  IMO G60's have been fine on
> the
> > street and on spirited mountain drives.  Frankly I thought they were
> great
> > on the three tracks I've used them on - never faded, good stopping
> power
> and
> > feel.  But yep they are heavy.
> >
> > I guess my point is that it shouldn't be hard to come up with brake
> upgrades
> > if you go with bigger wheels, but coming up with a lightweight upgrade
> for
> > stock wheels is the challenge....I know it's been done with Porsche
> calipers
> > and custom brackets and Sport Q rotors, and with Sport Q calipers etc,
> but
> > something more affordable/more common would be desirable.... There has
> been
> > talk of putting A4 stuff under the 15 inch wheels but I'm not sure how
> that
> > is an upgrade...is it a bigger rotor?  Lighter weight?  I'm pretty
> sure
> it's
> > only single piston..
> >
> > Brandon
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "packley" <packley at verizon.net>
> > To: <urq at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:28 PM
> > Subject: [urq] Audi A4 brakes for the urq
> >
> >
> > > Rich:
> > >
> > > Your information is awesome and timely, I have
> > > always suspected the A4/urq equation.
> > >
> > > So the urq folks should recognize some inexpensive
> > > upgrades now available that are better than the old G60.
> > >
> > > The question for many is what will work with 15" rims?
> > >
> > > If that is not a question, then the A4 line
> > > of brakes adds an inexpensive upgrade path.
> > >
> > > First they can use A4 calipers with TT brackets
> > > and use the A8 rotor which will be more brake
> > > than the G60, and A4 owners are throwing calipers
> > > away when they upgrade to Brembo,Stoptech, etc., so they should be
> > > available inexpensively.  This would be a decent upgrade for a stock
> > > urq.
> > >
> > > Boxster over A8 is next upgrade, or ECS special rotors.
> > >
> > > There are so many A4 brake upgrades...take your pick;
> > > from 25mm to 32 mm thickness, and from 276? to 314 or larger
> > > rotor sizes, just depends on how much wheel you will stuff
> > > it into!
> > >
> > > Brembo or Stoptech are the ultimate front brake, but will require
> > > 17" rims; although, I am sure you can make 996 calipers work on
> > > 16" rims.
> > >
> > > You mentioned rear 200/urS4 rears. Be careful here.
> > > 200 rotors have a different offset (hat dimension) than
> > > the urS4.  I made this mistake, as I have both a 91 Avant
> > > and an 96 S6 and the rear rotors are different, but the
> > > calipers are the same.
> > >
> > > What do you use for emergency brake cables to make the
> > > calipers work?
> > >
> > > Thanks for the excellent information.
> > >
> > > Phil Ackley
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:53:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Rich Letsinger <ricoletsinger at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [urq] Ronal R8 weights, 8x15" and other brake comments
> > > To: urq at audifans.com
> > > Message-ID: <20040916165356.7090.qmail at web41809.mail.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >
> > > > It seems the urq and the A4 are similar
> > > > caliper dimensions, but no one has reported
> > > > such a conversion.
> > >
> > > Well then let me be the one to report it... ;)
> > >
> > > A4 brakes are a direct bolt-on to the urq.  I ran a
> > > set of A4 calipers and rotors and they were marginally
> > > better than the G60 setup I had before it.  Then I
> > > tried a BIRA Sys1 setup, Boxster calipers over A8
> > > rotors, and it worked very well.  Finally I've gone
> > > with a StopTech kit designed for the A4.  Combined
> > > with the 200/S4 rear brakes, the car stops awesome.
> > >
> > > Rich