[urq] 80's Audi were Below average in NHTSA crash test . Audi A4bumpers are well rated

Thu Aug 23 03:34:47 EDT 2007

Seeing as Airbags drive me nuts, and I seem to have a phobia of them, none
of my cars that have them, have them connected.  Call me suicidal.

I guess in my next car I should LOOK for one with PC10.

Thanks for the info.

Todd

> From: LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:23:48 -0500
> To: Fred Munro <munrof at sympatico.ca>
> Cc: Tony Hoffman <auditony at gmail.com>, steven j
> <michellepfeiffersx at yahoo.com>, urq list <urq at audifans.com>, Quattro List
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> Subject: Re: [urq] 80's Audi were Below average in NHTSA crash test . Audi
> A4bumpers are well rated
> 
> I personally like the idea of Procon-Ten. I'm not sure, but in the
> C3 re-design for 1989, I believe I read somewhere that a PC10
> (okay, I'm lazy) car w/o airbag tested nearly as well (as in top
> crash test rating) as the airbag car, showing the merits of the
> system. Too bad the apparent costs of the system caused it
> to be discontinued. It's like 90% the safety, without the pyrotechnics.
> 
> LL - NY
> 
> On 8/17/07, Fred Munro <munrof at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Correct, Ingo, the UrS4 had airbags and the Pro-Con-Ten system. In the
>> UrS6
>> the Pro-Con-Ten was replaced by explosive seatbelt reels.
>> 
>> The cables did not push the engine forward, Steven. In a collision,
>> rearward
>> movement of the transmission tightened the cables, retracting the
>> seatbelts
>> to remove slack and pulling the steering column and wheel forward into the
>> dash to move it away from the driver.
>> 
>> I owned two Audis with Pro-Con-Ten; my '91 200q and my '94 S4. It is a
>> good
>> safety system. I suspect it's elimination had more to do with cost than
>> safety, although drivers side airbags fill one original design function of
>> Pro-Con-Ten (keeping the driver from bouncing off the steering wheel).
>> 
>> Fred Munro
>> '97 S6
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com
>> [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Ingo Rautenberg
>> Sent: August 17, 2007 5:31 PM
>> To: steven j
>> Cc: urq list; Tony Hoffman; Quattro List
>> Subject: Re: [urq] 80's Audi were Below average in NHTSA crash test .
>> Audi A4bumpers are well rated
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, they were also on the V8 and with airbags.  Plus I believe
>> the Ur S-cars also had it...
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2007, at 5:05 PM, steven j wrote:
>> 
>>> I've been looking at the NHTSA crash tests since they
>>> came out in about 1979.   The 1985-ish Audi 5000 got a
>>> horrible crash rating.  With the steering rack on the
>>> firewall and that 5cyl going to the bumper the
>>> steering wheel was pushed back in a crash delivering a
>>> punch to the drivers head.  The 4000's tested at the
>>> time were just the 4cyls - and the results weren't as
>>> bad as the 5000, probably because the missing cylinder
>>> allowed  an extra 5 inches before it started pushing
>>> the steering rack back.  One would imagine a 5cyl in
>>> the type 85 would be worse than the 5000 crash test.
>>> Of course if you have an offset crash - and the engine
>>> doesn't get pushed back - the car is probably fine.
>>> For around 1989 Audi introduced PRO-CON-TEN in the 100
>>> and 200 where cables push the engine forward in a
>>> crash and those cars cut driver head injury to low
>>> levels.
>>> 
>>> I think when airbags came the pro-con-ten cables might
>>> not have been installed, but they were on the 100/200
>>> only.   Feel free to correct me on details.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- Ed Kellock <ekellock at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> ISTR that the 4k series cars were one of the highest
>>>> rated chassis of
>>>> their time in crashworthiness.
>>>> 
>>>> Ed
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/16/07, LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Having seen some of the Type 85's in the wrecking
>>>> yard, I'd venture a guess
>>>>> that
>>>>> you didn't go "straight in" in your accident. The
>>>> 4K's passenger compartment
>>>>> seems to buckle in a header, at least based upon
>>>> empirical forensic analysis
>>>>> at the wrecking yard, I think you were lucky.
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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