[urq] (Off Topic) UPG 2008 Planning (OT)

Thu Oct 18 10:40:52 PDT 2007

Oh, I
I LOVE the HD's.  If find on rought roads they are a dream.  Rough yes, but
soft dampers allow the suspension to bottom to easy.  I'm not what you would
call a "Delicate" driver.  I drive my 4ktq like I stole it.

But I definitely need taller springs.  And I learned recently that
apparently the ur-q upper spring perches are lower "Higher" IE...they lower
the car, as compared to 4ktq perches.  So while I have the bigger brakes,
5-bolts, etc from an ur-q, I'm lower because of the upper perches.

The 90q spring trick works well. I tried that for a while.  I have seen an
ur-q with 4kq front springs in the back and it was TALL.  I may try
something like that in the rear and in the front....I don't know yet.  I
could try the Cadillac Fleetwood springs that the Tim Oniel rally school
uses on their rigs.  Long and soft enough.

But to be honest, on these roads to soft a spring and shock wont work.  You
just bottom on everything.  My favorite suspension for Rough Roads that I
ever has was the Coilovers I USED to have on this car "Now on my White 83'
ur-q with cage".  I had 10" Springs  325f/275r rates.  It was marvelous.  I
could take massive bumps at speed and not bottom, it was fun on pavement, I
had about as much travel as stock but was lifted for more clearance.  And
weight transfer to the front was great allowing serious bite from the front
tires coming into dirt corners.  You could really hook up in the dirt with
that suspension.

I'm just not sure if I want to deal with Coil-Overs again.  But maybe its
the best thing for here.  I am running FRONT shocks on my rear though as
they are slightly softer than the Rear ur-q shocks, and slightly longer.

Thanks for the thoughts

> From: Ed Kellock <ekellock at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:34:15 -0600
> To: Brandon Rogers <brogers at terrix.com>
> Cc: Todd Phenneger <tquattroguy at yahoo.com>, Ben Swann <benswann at comcast.net>,
> urq list <urq at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [urq] (Off Topic) UPG 2008 Planning (OT)
> 
> Yes!  Ditch the HDs.  They have far too little compliance for nasty
> stuff.  I hate them on my V8 and Avant and a long time ago on my
> little GTI.  In longer motions they damp fairly well, but they have no
> comfort zone for small irregularities.
> 
> Brandon has the right idea.  Lots of suspension travel and more
> compliant dampers.
> 
> Ed
> 
> On 10/18/07, Brandon Rogers <brogers at terrix.com> wrote:
>> I think if I had a 4kq or urq down there where the roads are "$hit" -
>> I'd want the car at rally height or something - certainly softer sprung,
>> no? - a local lister here in Denver has a 4ktq (20v) with, I think , 90
>> springs - sits a little high but still looks cool.  And I'd want softer
>> dampers, too I'd think.  Not marshmallow - but more complient for sure.
>> 
>> 
>> Stock '83 springs, Fuchs, aux lights - go baby go!
>> 
>> Brandon
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: urq-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:urq-bounces at audifans.com] On
>> Behalf Of Todd Phenneger
>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:26 AM
>> To: Ben Swann; urq list
>> Subject: Re: [urq] (Off Topic) UPG 2008 Planning (OT)
>> 
>> 
>> Well,
>> I kinda made it as a Joke.  But if anyone ever does want a RoadTrip to
>> Belize I have a spare Bedroom and parking under my tree.  And I'm a
>> 20min Cessna Flight from the 2nd longest Reef in the world and a 1hr
>> drive from the RainForest Central and mayan ruins.
>> 
>> As for driving, well since its just driving through Mexico legalites are
>> easy for any Canadian, American, Mexican.  The drive from Houston is
>> about 3-days if your drive somewhat normal long days.  IE....8-12hr
>> days.  "This is from what the Truckers Say".
>> 
>> Roads are SHIT Down here though.  My 4ktq is built pretty well but its
>> getting pounded.  I think I just broke a top spring perch in half.
>> Mandatory ur-q content:......  I'm running an Ur-q suspension with
>> Bilstien HD's.  I think I'll be upgrading to coilovers soon.
>> 
>> When I drive to South America it will be in my Land Rover.  I want the
>> freedom to explore the Jungle on the way and go wherever I please.  But
>> my dream has been to drive all around South America.  From Seattle down
>> to the top of Chile and back up through Brazil, Venezuela, etc.  The
>> kicker is getting through Columbia.  Gotta be in Caravan.
>> -----
>> Check out the following sites if your curious.  FYI..if anyone is a
>> Rover Nut one of the Discoveries from the Longitude expedition is for
>> sale right now.
>> 
>> Pretty cool organization.  The two expeditions I like are Latitude and
>> Longitude. Both done in LandRovers but done VERY Differently.  Latitude
>> was done in old 1960's Doormobiles and Longitude done recently in 2003
>> Discovery's.  Anyhow, take a look.  Awesome pics and video from the
>> trips around the world.
>> 
>> These guys organized that expedition but what I like even better is the
>> LATITUDE Expedition in old Series Dormobiles.
>>  And watch the video.  Its small but its good some cool scenery.  How
>> fun would that be.
>> 
>> http://www.drivearoundtheworld.com/latitude.htm
>> 
>> Longitude has a nice intro & movie too.
>> 
>> http://www.drivearoundtheworld.com/index3.html
>> 
>> http://www.drivearoundtheworld.com/movie/DATW-LONGITUDE.wmv
>> 
>> Enjoy
>> 
>> Todd : Having delusions of my dream of driving around South America.
>> The little graphic on the drivearound the world index looks so cool.
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Ben Swann <benswann at comcast.net>
>>> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:13:44 -0400
>>> To: 'urq list' <urq at audifans.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [urq] UPG 2008 Planning
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Belize sounds great to me, but could you really drive there without
>>> major international restrictions - forget the distance.  My ultimate
>>> dream is to drive down through the
>>> Andes out to MachuPichu, Nazca and maybe to the end of the world in
>> chile in
>>> the UrQ or
>>> ES2Coupe.  Really a pipe dream, but would be so cool to do that.
>>> 
>>> So back to reality keeps me within a days travel(8-12 hours drive) and
>> 
>>> only when I can spare and extended weekend.  So whatever that is from
>>> Annapolis/Baltimore/Washington
>>> D.C. area.  The good news is the UrQuattro can really be driven just
>> about any
>>> distance
>>> reliably now - at least as soon as the fuel pump is replaced - today I
>> hope.
>>> 
>>> Good Idea about the Frapp Mapp http://www.frappr.com/upg2008 - I just
>>> added myself.
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> [Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:25:24 -0600
>>> From: Todd Phenneger <tquattroguy at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [urq] UPG 2008 Planning
>>> :
>>> OH
>>> As for me.
>>> I can likely only drive 1-day unless I'm single and have vacation
>>> time. But...I'd be up for Jackson Hole
>>> Denver CO Area
>>> Black Hills
>>> Road Atlanta
>>> Belize, Central America.]
>>> 
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