[urq] Engine options ... 25 year old urq

[Ben Swann]

034EFI is great!  I bough it, but I did not use it because of the additional
costs associated and in the future plan to do more installations.  I used some
034EFI hardware with varying results all good in the end, but could have saved
a lot doing most of these things myself.  034EFI is good because it provides a
product tailored to the 5 cyl. Engines, and has a great deal of parts on the
website laid out for those who are only doing it once.  So no question 034EFI
is great.

 

However, I believe there is a lot to be said for the open consortium that is
Megasquirt.  You can get pre-made units for under $300 or build them yourself.
As with most complex systems, it is in a state of flux regarding features.
There are many who work toward the collective end to making this a good
system.  As far as I can tell there is a much larger collective base with MS
than probably all the other major aftermarket systems combined.  And it is
growing.  I think it will become a standard for doing conversions.  The only
reason it is not more publicized is because the only folks who stand to make
much money on it are those who save the big $ DIY.  This is my opinion,
guaranteed to be refuted, which is fine.

 

The wiring is fairly standard and very easy to deal with if you get a
pre-fabbed harness.  The system can be tailored to do just about anything you
need it to do.  Sequential EFI will be available in the near future - that is
about the only thing missing at this point for now and when it is available
you won't beat it for triple the cost.

 

 

Ben

 

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From: Brandon Rogers [mailto:brogers at terrix.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:44 PM
To: 'Ben Swann'; urq at pacbell.net
Cc: urq at audifans.com; quattro at audifans.com
Subject: RE: [urq] Engine options ... 25 year old urq

 

Not to get off topic as I have a feeling Steve wants to stick with a 10V but
the exhaust wasn't a big deal at all - had a muffler shop marry the top of a
3B DP to the bottom of a WX DP - $150.  No prob.

 

There are other bigger problems IMO...

 

And nothing against Megasquirt AT ALL as I have no experience with them - but
I really like how much 034 Motorsport has invested in the 5 cylinder motor -
in terms of R&D, parts etc etc.  

 

Brandon

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Swann [mailto:benswann at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 3:26 PM
To: urq at pacbell.net
Cc: brogers at terrix.com; urq at audifans.com; quattro at audifans.com
Subject: [urq] Engine options ... 25 year old urq

Steve, 

I'd suggest keep in mind that the exhaust setup going with a 20V is not
trivial and adds to the expense.  I know the MC (1 or 2) can make plenty of
power and torque.  The WX is a nice engine, but almost too low of compression.
Megasuirt makes it fairly straightforward and inexpensive to implement an EFI
conversion on a 10V, and you can keep your old exhaust setup rather than doing
with the dual setup which add more cost and effort.

 

I'll pass you my notes as soon as I get them compiled.  I recommend going with
MS1V2 or MS2 if you want to do ignition too.  I felt that I wasn't going to do
that much better job at mapping ignition out than Audi engineers did with the
MAC-14 setup.  Motronic is nice, but adds about $800 to the cost.   The
combination of MS + MAC-14 is working out well so far and  Cody and others
have had the MAC-11 setup tuned to outrageous numbers.

Ben

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Well it's no secret what option I chose when it came time to make a motor
decision...

But my feeling is why go to all the work and still be stuck dealing with
finnicky CIS?  Yes MC-2 is technologically superior to the WX - higher
compression, dual knock sensors, a little more displacement, but it still uses
CIS and layout is the same.  So I think you may still be saddled with CIS
starting and warm-up stumble issues.  For me that was 90% of the reason to go
with a 3B - I was tired of chasing my tail.  If you stick with 10V think about
an EFI conversion.

My .02

Brandon]

[Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:48:22 -0700

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... well, I got a call today ... rust in the cylinders on at least 2 pots ...
now I'm really glad I decided to have someone else work on the car!  :-)

So ... I've got many possible options at this point ... but the two I'm
thinking are my most likely solutions at this point are:

1) Keep the WX - pull the pistons, have them re-ringed and the cylinder bores
cleaned up.  I already have a head ready to go for the motor, so this is a
fairly easy option ... but then I'll still have a WX and a MAC-02 ...

2) Install an MC-2 engine - my feeling is that the 20v (3B/AAN) doesn't bring
that much more to the table, and the dual knock sensor and MAC-13 can be
tweaked ... and leave MegaSquirt options in the future.  

I thought I'd toss this one out for comment ... which is the best choice?

Is there some option I'm ignoring that would push me toward another option?

 

Does anyone know about any MC-2 engines available near the San Jose, CA area?
I have the wiring loom and the MAC-13 ... I'd need the engine and sensors.
I'd need to mix and match urq and MC-2 parts ... one thing I'd like to try to
work in is the fuel distributor with the position sensor on the airflow plate
... for trip computer use should I fit a digidash.  

... the last variable ... I have a set of the Wiseco pistons from the GB a
while ago.  They are oversize for the WX, I don't remember whether or not they
require boring out the MC ... should I go to the effort of reworking the new
motor to incorporate the pistons?  

It would be great to hear from someone who has gone down a similar road ...

I'd like to understand what points drove you to go the way you did ... 

TIA!

Steve B

San Jos?, CA (USA)]