[urq] Firewall brace for clutch/master cyl.

Mon Apr 27 16:23:05 PDT 2009

I ordered one. I will let you know more about it when I get it.  The picture seems to be a generic one.  He sells a similar bracket
for a VW product and it is the exact same picture.

Cheers
Lino
83 Ur-q

-----Original Message-----
From: urq-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:urq-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Ingo Rautenberg
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:22 PM
To: urq
Cc: 'Audifans'
Subject: Re: [urq] Firewall brace for clutch/master cyl.

OK,

I looked at the Ebay ad on a regular computer screen.  I still don't  
understand that how that ebay part works.

The 034 part is like Jeff's part in that it basically attaches to the  
clutch master and brake master.

Regards,

Ingo

On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:26 AM, urq wrote:

> You have an edge on me as my German is nearly non-existent ...  
> especially on
> technical terms ... but I did use some on-line resources to try to  
> figure
> things out:
>
> 	Spritzwand => firewall
> 	Verstärkungsblech => reinforcement sheet
>
> ... the eBay ad's title indicates that the part is intended for an  
> urq:
>
> 	"Kupplungsverstärkungsblech f Audi 80 90 Ur- quattro T85"
>
> Based on your statement it sounds like Jeff's part is indeed a  
> firewall
> stiffener of some sort ... from hearing a description I thought  
> that it
> connected the firewall to the pedal mount ... apparently that is a  
> mistaken
> impression.
>
> My personal preference would be for something that connected the  
> pedal mount
> to the clutch M/C ... and if the 034M part does not do this I'd be  
> tempted
> to try the other part.
>
> Steve Buchholz
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Well, first let me say I'm sorry that I had to include the body of  
> Steve's
> reply in my reply, but that's how my Blackberry works. I bought the  
> clutch
> master brace from Jeff a few years back, so I'm pretty confident  
> the two are
> NOT the same.
>
> Besides, the German Description in no way mentions the clutch master
> cylinder -- and you know how accurate those Germans are...
>
>
> Ingo Rautenberg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "urq" <urq at pacbell.net>
>
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:59:37
> To: 'Audifans'<urq at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [urq] Firewall brace for clutch/master cyl.
>
>
> .... not sure I agree Ingo ... but then I don't know.  I'll forward  
> the
> message to Jeff (the person who designed and first manufactured the  
> part
> Javad sells) for his thoughts.
>
> The problem which causes the firewall failures is exactly that the  
> clutch
> M/C is attached to the firewall ... as the clutch is depressed the  
> same
> force required to force the clutch open is pushing the firewall  
> forward.
> When the car is new the force is fairly light, but as the clutch  
> wears the
> force gets higher ... as does the stress on the firewall.  Over  
> time the
> bending back and forth weakens the sheet metal that the firewall is  
> made
> from and it cracks.  Audi's solution to this problem (at least on  
> the T44
> and V8) was to mount the master cylinder to the pedal mounting  
> casting.
>
> Without having used either product it is a little difficult to see  
> how they
> are installed ... but they should attach to the clutch M/C mounting  
> bolts
> and the bracket the pedals are mounted to to carry the pedal  
> force.  Funny,
> I think I can visualize how the eBay part works ... I think Jeff's  
> part may
> attach to the bracketry attached to the steering column.  I suspect  
> the
> difference in price is that the 034M part is machined from billet,  
> where the
> other part appears to be stamped.  I know Jeff's part can be installed
> without disconnecting the clutch pedal linkage, it looks like the  
> other part
> with require the linkage be disconnected.
>
> Steve Buchholz
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Two totally different parts. The ebay one is a clutch strengthening  
> piece
> and appears to be for the clutch mechanism itself -- not a firewall  
> brace!
>
>
> Ingo Rautenberg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Maurits Jonkergouw" <urquattro at moregraphics.nl>
>
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:19:01
> To: Audifans<urq at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [urq] Firewall brace for clutch/master cyl.
>
>
> If you look at both pictures it's hard to believe they are build  
> for the
> same purpose, can
> anyone technically explain why they look so different? Price is also
> different lol.
>
>
> Subject: Re: [urq] Firewall brace for clutch/master cyl.
> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
> ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=1
> 30297000457
>
>
> Subject: [urq] 034 : Firewall brace for clutch/master cyl.
> http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?products_id=76
>
> Regards,
> Maurits
>
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