[urq] Toyota should be talking to Audi....NAC

[mike]

Spot on, brake gently or repeatedly and they will fade, one hard application to a standstill is the way to go.

Very very few cars have engines that will overcome a hard application of cold brakes. 

--- On Fri, 26/2/10, Ti Kan <ti at amb.org> wrote:

> From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
> Subject: Re: [urq] Toyota should be talking to Audi....NAC
> To: "Grant Lenahan" <glenahan at vfemail.net>
> Cc: boomerbaird at gmail.com, urq at audifans.com, quattro at audifans.com
> Date: Friday, 26 February, 2010, 14:13
> Grant Lenahan writes:
> > Dan DiBiase wrote:
> > > The problem is that people don't know how to
> handle this situation. It's fine to say that the brakes will
> overcome the engine,
> > > but you probably only have one shot at it, and
> need to slam them on all the way immediately. Most folks
> don't know that and
> > > probably just panic.
> > > 
> > > It's all just another good reason to drive a
> stick!
> >
> > is your one-shot comment due to a lack of vacuum
> reserve at WOT?
> 
> No, I think it's more a problem with brake fade -- if the
> driver
> rides on the brakes without full force.  It would be
> better to
> just stomp on it and try to get the car to stop asap (let
> the
> ABS deal with any potential wheel lockup).
> 
> One thing that bother me, though.  Is that Toyota has
> issued
> recalls and has "fixes" for the supposed problem, but no
> Lexus models are covered under any such recalls.  Yet
> many of the
> UA reports are with Lexus (such as with the infamous CHP
> officer).
> The recalls shortens the accelerator pedal (to avoid a
> floormat jam) and adds a shim (to avoid a possible stuck
> pedal),
> but no ECU reprogramming.
> 
> It is my understanding from the reports that Toyota's
> drive-by-wire
> system does not override the accelerator when the brake is
> applied.
> VAG cars do, I believe, and probably most others... 
> so this
> would be a software issue, but Toyota has not (yet)
> admitted to
> an any software problem with regard to the UA issue. 
> This
> is not to be confused with the separate Prius recall which
> _is_
> software related.
> 
> Whatever the real problem is, it's like peeling an onion
> and
> I am sure we haven't heard the last of it yet.
> 
> -Ti
> 
> _______________________________________________
> quattro mailing list
> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/quattro
> http://www.audifans.com/kb/List_information
>