[urq] re-quattro-ing a quattro - ALSO

[Ed Torres]

I will tell you my experience would be as close to apples to apples:
1985 UR
versus.
1990 911 964 C4 3.6l (both are AWD)
tires are wider in the 911  I can check to night and grab the tires size on both cars if any one is interested
The quattro is 10x better driving than the 911 on the city busy roads.the 911 will out perform the quattro? YES any day.but you have to wrestled the car all day, the steering in hard compare to the quattro.
You may call me crazy, I hate the 911 that I end up giving it to my wife and I kept the quattro.
on the 964 C4 you can not lower the front more than the back, because the rocket panel on the sides would not be level.you can lower evenly but there always will be a bigger gap in the front wheels.

This are my last 2 cents.  :)

> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:04:06 -0800
> From: talisman05 at gmail.com
> To: koenigj at comcast.net
> CC: urq at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [urq] re-quattro-ing a quattro - ALSO
> 
> It's an interesting observation. I have heard that Porsches at least
> are extremely sensitive to the correct tire size being used for proper
> alignment. In addition to the probability that a suspension that's
> been lowered more than 1/2"-1" just won't work like it was designed
> to, wider wheels with different offsets than the original design must
> surely also have the potential to reduce optimum response. It makes me
> wonder if Audi thought much about this when they switched to the wider
> and further-outboard offset 15x8s. I've always loved the aesthetics of
> wide tires and there is no questioning the firm grip on flat, dry
> pavement, but when I rolled with 6" wheels and 195-width snow tires
> for a few weeks with my car, I was amazed at how much more normal
> everything felt and how much less I had to fight with it over bumps
> and rutted roads. My embracing of the rugged "well it's a sports car
> and needs to be wrestled with" atittude has given way with age to "it
> would be nice if this drove like a normal car"...
> 
> It would be super interesting to have a back-to back test from the
> same driver of lateral grip, braking, and slalom handling of a car
> with stock ride height and 205-width tires on stock 6" rims vs.
> lowered with wider-stance 225's and see if the perceived benefits of a
> lower car with wider tires and stance actually equate to real world
> performance increases. I would not be entirely surprised if the former
> actually "danced" more nimbly.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:49 AM, j.koenig <koenigj at comcast.net> wrote:
> > There is such a thing as out-teching an older suspension design with modern tire sizes.  I
> > bet the period tarmac rally cars changed out a lot of bearings and bushings and hubs back
> > in the day.
> > My two-cents worth...
> > John
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thatcher Hubbard" <thatcher.hubbard at gmail.com>
> > To: "Keith Lloyd" <spotatashleys at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: <urq at audifans.com>; "Jon Archibald" <talisman05 at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [urq] re-quattro-ing a quattro - ALSO
> >
> >
> > John, my own experience is similar to yours, I just hadn't got to the built engine yet.
> > Now I just want the 20v for reliability and smoothness.
> >
> > FWIW, my car had 17x8 wheels on it when I got it.  I bought a set of nice Fuchs for Winter
> > tires and I've ended up putting all seasons on them and leaving them on for 5 years now.
> > They look better on the car, and feel better on most roads.
> >
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