[V6-12v] Gear oil, brake job

[Clive Young]

I agree with Ed on this one .

My brother was over on the weekend, he is a mechanic and he says he NEVER
changes gear oil unless the customer complains about shifting as this
complaint ( noisy and sometimes clunky ) is common after a change. He
figures the oil just gets to a consistency that the gear box likes and stays
that way. I noticed the same thing in my 944 actually and wished I had not
changed it . He did give some other great advice I would like to pass along.

1. remove the fill screw first . If you find you can't get it out after
draining the fluid, you are basically screwed.
2. Use a bolt with a 17mm head on it welded to a piece of pipe or round
steel, makes a great tool , or just put two nuts on the bolt and lock them
together and use a wrench, a quick and cheap alternative to finding that
17mm hex.

Clive
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Sluis" <emsluis at hotmail.com>
To: "'Tom Christiansen'" <tomchr at ee.washington.edu>; <James4ihl at aol.com>
Cc: <v6-12v at audifans.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: [V6-12v] Gear oil, brake job


> Hello all,
>
> Just my few humble cents but here are my experiences with changing the
> transmission fluid in my 5 speed audi.
>
> I changed it at around 140K miles.  At the time I posted questions to the
> list and everyone responded saying to use Red Line synthetic manual
> transmission oil which I did.  Draining and filling the transmission
> required a 17mm allen which took a little work getting, sears didn't carry
> it and I eventually had to order it from snap on.
>
> I also used a small hand pump and tube to help get the oil up into the
fill
> hole.  The axel cover on the drivers side had to be removed to access the
> fill hole but other than that it was pretty straight forward.
>
> Here are the bad parts:  It is a VERY MESSY job, trying to pump oil up
hill
> into a small and not so well placed opening.  Expect to get dreanched and
> dress appropriate, looking back on it I would have worn a face shield as I
> now know what gear oil tastes like and its not good.  The main bad point,
> after changing the oil I noticed a remarkable difference in the way the
> transmission shifted and unfortunately it was not good.  The manual gear
box
> and clutch were much smoother BEFORE I changed the oil.  For several
months
> I was concerned changing the oil had damaged something as the difference
was
> remarkably bad.  Now some 60K miles later the transmission has gone back
to
> the way it was before the oil change, I guess the oil just had to get old.
> If I had to do it all over again I don't think I would have changed it,
> talking to the service rep at my local audi dealer he said he had similar
> experiences with customers complaining about added noise after the change
> but nothing wrong was found.  He said he wouldn't change it on his car
> unless the transmission wasn't working smoothly.  Evidently the original
> audi oil is synthetic and some pretty good stuff.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Ed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: v6-12v-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:v6-12v-bounces at audifans.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Christiansen
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:21 PM
> To: James4ihl at aol.com
> Cc: v6-12v at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [V6-12v] Gear oil, brake job
>
> Hi James,
>
> You've probably read my second email by now and realize that my car does
> indeed have a manual transmission.
>
> I conveniently forgot to mention that in the first email...
>
> Tom
>
> On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 13:18, James4ihl at aol.com wrote:
> > Tom --
> >
> > Don't have any direct experience of Auto transmissions because I've
> > always driven manuals. However, what you said rang a bell, as I was
> > sure when looking through the workshop service manual for my 1992-1995
> > Audi 80, I had noticed something about changing the ATF . Sure enough
> > you are supposed to change it (>12.94 Gearbox No. 097, 01.95> gearbox
> > no. 01N), although an interval is not stated (I'll check the interval
> > in my car service schedule tomorrow). The tools listed in the service
> > manual are:
> > ATF fluid G 052 162 A (colour clear/yellow - do not use additives)
> > Drip tray
> > Oil extractor VAG 1358 A with oil suction probe VAG 1358A/1
> > Fault reader VAG 1551
> > ATF filling system VAG 1924 and protective goggles
> >
> > Of course, you can decide which ones of these special tools you can do
> > with out...
> >
> > The procedures look fairly complex. If you decide to go ahead, let me
> > know. I'll let you know what the required service interval is first,
> > before you decide whether you need to do this...
> >
> > James
> >
> > In a message dated 21/3/04 2:17:38 am, tomchr at ee.washington.edu
> > writes:
> >
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Now that we're talking anyway...
> > >
> > > In the manual for my 1994 90S it is stated that the transmission oil
> > > should not be changed during the lifetime of the car. Do you guys
> > > agree
> > > with this philosophy? If not, which fluid/oil do you suggest instead
> > > and
> > > which benefits does it have to change the gear oil? Which tools are
> > > needed?
>
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