[V6-12v] RE: Front end thunks
Jack Tozzi at Novi Cantori
jacktozzi at novicantori.org
Fri Jul 8 11:08:08 EDT 2005
Thanks to all who emailed suggestions on this one. I got very lucky, the
problem ended up being a worn stabilizer bar link. $48 later, the car was
quieter than it's been for about 18 months.
Regards,
Jack Tozzi
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> 1. Airbag lite (Calvyn)
> 2. front end thunks (Jack Tozzi at Novi Cantori)
> 3. Re: Car not getting up to temp in winter...thermostat not the
> problem (Tom Christiansen)
> 4. Re: Airbag lite (Tom Christiansen)
> 5. Re: Car not getting up to temp in winter...thermostat not the
> problem (Poncho)
> 6. RE: Car not getting up to temp in winter...thermostat not the
> problem (Austin Franklin)
> 7. RE: [A4] Airbag lite (Calvyn)
> 8. REGISTRATION OPEN FOR Old School Quattro's 2005 Cumberland,
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:46:53 -0400
> From: "Calvyn" <Calvyn at stny.rr.com>
> Subject: [V6-12v] Airbag lite
> To: <a4 at audifans.com>, <v6-12v at audifans.com>
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> Hi All..
>
> While trying to figure out why my cig lighter wasn't working I
> pulled the wrong fuse and all the gauges on the dashboard went
> out. Plugged
> it back in and now my airbag lite stays on for about a minute or two
> whenever I start my car. I tried to reset it by disconnecting the battery
> for several minutes but it didn't work. Any other suggestions? Or
> is this a
> job for VAG-COM man?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> -Calvyn-
>
> PS - Cig lighter only works when it's wires are plugged in!
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:19:42 -0400
> From: "Jack Tozzi at Novi Cantori" <jacktozzi at novicantori.org>
> Subject: [V6-12v] front end thunks
> To: <v6-12v at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <JGEGIANNBLMDPHILMFEDIEEILNAA.jacktozzi at novicantori.org>
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> Hello all,
>
> I'm about to start to investigate an increasing noisy right front
> on my 1995
> 90, non-quattro. I've just done shocks and didn't find anything amiss at
> that time. What I'm getting is a rattle/thunk front the right
> front at low
> speeds (under 30mph) over bumpy surfaces, either it is not
> happening or it's
> being masked at higher speeds. The old struts were very tired and I had
> assumed that the noise was a rattling strut assembly. The noise was
> unaffected by the strut change.
>
> Does any one with front suspension wisdom have a suggestion of
> the best way
> to start?
> Jack Tozzi
> Internet Sales and Marketing
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:34:02 -0700
> From: Tom Christiansen <tomchr at ee.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [V6-12v] Car not getting up to temp in
> winter...thermostat not the problem
> To: James Whitehouse <jamescarstuff at aol.com>, Austin Franklin
> <austin at darkroom.com>, <v6-12v at audifans.com>
> Message-ID:
> <6.2.1.2.2.20050706082930.02789668 at maxwell.ee.washington.edu>
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> You can also use a resistor:
> <http://www.bentleypublishers.com/tech/vw/bentley.vw1301.testing.htm>
>
> This page is worth looking at for general substitutes for the VW
> electrical
> tools as well:
> <http://tech.bentleypublishers.com/thread.jspa?threadID=4799&tstart=0>
>
> Tom
>
> At 04:12 AM 7/6/2005, James Whitehouse wrote:
>
> >Yeah, the other thing that's always worth checking before replacing a
> >thermostat is that the multifunction sensor which feeds the
> dashboard temp
> >gauge (not the other coolant temp sensor which only feeds the ECU) is
> >working to spec. If not it can read low/high and you end up
> misdiagnosing a
> >faulty thermostat. You can do it with a volt meter before you go to the
> >trouble of doing a thermostat change. Glad it was a simple prob
> in the end
> >though.
> >
> >James
> >
> >
> >On 6/7/05 3:51 am, "Austin Franklin" <austin at darkroom.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > 96 A4Q 12V, was not getting up to temp in winter, so I just
> put cardboard
> > > over the radiator, and it worked great for the cold weather (I got
> > heat, car
> > > was at temp), and removed in the warm, works great as well.
> I thought it
> > > was the thermostat...and given that it's major surgery, I
> decided to do the
> > > timing belt (car has 70k miles, and is 10 years old), water
> pump, pulleys
> > > etc. as well as the thermostat. All went well (KTR in Ayer,
> MA did all
> > that
> > > work for $300 and I highly recommend them, plus parts were $200 from
> > > Shokan...they let me buy the parts) but the thermostat wasn't bad!
> > >
> > > It ended up being the expansion tank cap wasn't venting.
> It's supposed to
> > > rattle when you take it off and shake it (like a PCV valve) to allow
> > > pressure to escape...as the pressure will keep the thermostat
> open...so a
> > > new $8 cap fixed the problem. I needed to do the timing belt
> etc. anyway,
> > > but I wish I had figured out the cap in the winter.
> > >
> > > But, all is well now with the cooling. On to the mirror and
> other minor
> > > issues.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Austin
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:36:40 -0700
> From: Tom Christiansen <tomchr at ee.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [V6-12v] Airbag lite
> To: "Calvyn" <Calvyn at stny.rr.com>, <a4 at audifans.com>,
> <v6-12v at audifans.com>
> Message-ID:
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> The airbag unit remains powered even when the battery is disconnected. I
> would assume that it doesn't stay powered up forever, but to fully
> disconnect the power to it, you need to disconnect the red
> connector in the
> driver's side footwell. It hides under a cover over roughly where
> your shin
> would be if you stepped on the brake.
>
> Tom
>
> At 04:46 AM 7/6/2005, Calvyn wrote:
>
> >Hi All..
> >
> > While trying to figure out why my cig lighter wasn't working I
> >pulled the wrong fuse and all the gauges on the dashboard went
> out. Plugged
> >it back in and now my airbag lite stays on for about a minute or two
> >whenever I start my car. I tried to reset it by disconnecting the battery
> >for several minutes but it didn't work. Any other suggestions?
> Or is this a
> >job for VAG-COM man?
> >
> >Thanks in advance!
> >-Calvyn-
> >
> >PS - Cig lighter only works when it's wires are plugged in!
> >
> >********************************
> >'96 A4 2.8 V6-12v FronTrac
> >Pull-Me-Over-Red
> >http://www.nostrom.net/Audi.htm
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Poncho <ponchojuan66 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [V6-12v] Car not getting up to temp in
> winter...thermostat not the problem
> To: Tom Christiansen <tomchr at ee.washington.edu>, James Whitehouse
> <jamescarstuff at aol.com>, Austin Franklin
> <austin at darkroom.com>,
> v6-12v at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <20050706171046.96164.qmail at web53305.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Tom, Jim,
>
> An expansion tank top? Boy that's a new one for me.
> I would be skeptical, but who kknows. This Audi has
> always had cooling system quirks.
>
> It appears that Audi uses a typical designed cap.
> Basically it is a pressure relief valve that opens
> between 17 psi and 22 psi to relieve excess pressure
> due to over heating. It is not a "vent" per se,
> except in the sense of releasing pressure. The
> typical symptom is leakage; overflow because the cap
> won't hold the 17 psi of pressure. Normally a water
> pump will produce about 30 psi flow in the system.
> This can cause a thermo to open late if under
> pressurized, but this would raise the temp even
> higher.
>
> I suppose a system could run a little cooler if it was
> under pressurized, but theorectically this would only
> happen above 212 degrees or the boiling point of the
> fluid ( actually water; coolant is higher).
>
> My experience over the years is that the 12V engine
> thermos often stick "open". This causes the engine to
> run below temp when the ambient temperature is below
> around 65 degree. Below about 50 degrees it will throw
> an engine light reporting a bad sensor. There is a
> tech bulletin on this issue..
>
> You can run from May until October here in the
> northeast and you won't even know you have a problem.
>
> See how the temp holds on your car when it gets
> colder. If you have the same problem, let us know.
> IF its gone away, my bet is that you had an air
> pocket; the 12V can be a stickler to purge after
> refilling, sometimes.
>
> I reported a problem a year ago to NAPA and Thompson
> concerning their thermos for the 12V. They tend to
> stick open because the backing plate is too large
> causing the symptoms you describe. If you have to
> replace the thermo, use a good OEM from Wahler or
> whatever the Worldpak dealer provides. And by the
> way, you dont need to pull eveything apart. The
> thermo can be weaseled out of there without removing
> the timing belt. A pain, but not major.
>
> Good luck
>
> poncho
>
>
>
> --- Tom Christiansen <tomchr at ee.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> > You can also use a resistor:
> >
> <http://www.bentleypublishers.com/tech/vw/bentley.vw1301.testing.htm>
> >
> > This page is worth looking at for general
> > substitutes for the VW electrical
> > tools as well:
> >
> <http://tech.bentleypublishers.com/thread.jspa?threadID=4799&tstart=0>
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > At 04:12 AM 7/6/2005, James Whitehouse wrote:
> >
> > >Yeah, the other thing that's always worth checking
> > before replacing a
> > >thermostat is that the multifunction sensor which
> > feeds the dashboard temp
> > >gauge (not the other coolant temp sensor which only
> > feeds the ECU) is
> > >working to spec. If not it can read low/high and
> > you end up misdiagnosing a
> > >faulty thermostat. You can do it with a volt meter
> > before you go to the
> > >trouble of doing a thermostat change. Glad it was a
> > simple prob in the end
> > >though.
> > >
> > >James
> > >
> > >
> > >On 6/7/05 3:51 am, "Austin Franklin"
> > <austin at darkroom.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > 96 A4Q 12V, was not getting up to temp in
> > winter, so I just put cardboard
> > > > over the radiator, and it worked great for the
> > cold weather (I got
> > > heat, car
> > > > was at temp), and removed in the warm, works
> > great as well. I thought it
> > > > was the thermostat...and given that it's major
> > surgery, I decided to do the
> > > > timing belt (car has 70k miles, and is 10 years
> > old), water pump, pulleys
> > > > etc. as well as the thermostat. All went well
> > (KTR in Ayer, MA did all
> > > that
> > > > work for $300 and I highly recommend them, plus
> > parts were $200 from
> > > > Shokan...they let me buy the parts) but the
> > thermostat wasn't bad!
> > > >
> > > > It ended up being the expansion tank cap wasn't
> > venting. It's supposed to
> > > > rattle when you take it off and shake it (like a
> > PCV valve) to allow
> > > > pressure to escape...as the pressure will keep
> > the thermostat open...so a
> > > > new $8 cap fixed the problem. I needed to do
> > the timing belt etc. anyway,
> > > > but I wish I had figured out the cap in the
> > winter.
> > > >
> > > > But, all is well now with the cooling. On to
> > the mirror and other minor
> > > > issues.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Austin
> > > >
> > > >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:37:38 -0400
> From: "Austin Franklin" <austin at darkroom.com>
> Subject: RE: [V6-12v] Car not getting up to temp in
> winter...thermostat not the problem
> To: <v6-12v at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <DGEKLJKGMMFGJHMCGHCAIEJOEBAA.austin at darkroom.com>
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> Hi Poncho,
>
> > An expansion tank top? Boy that's a new one for me.
> > I would be skeptical, but who knows.
>
> I know ;-) Replacing it fixed the problem. Old cap, no heat...new cap,
> heat. The excess pressure in the system forces the thermostat open.
>
> > It appears that Audi uses a typical designed cap.
> > Basically it is a pressure relief valve that opens
> > between 17 psi and 22 psi to relieve excess pressure
> > due to over heating.
>
> Excess pressure, yes...but not necessarily due to overheating.
>
> > The
> > typical symptom is leakage; overflow because the cap
> > won't hold the 17 psi of pressure.
>
> Mine was "clogged", not stuck open...so it held pressure.
>
> > My experience over the years is that the 12V engine
> > thermos often stick "open".
>
> My thermostat is fine. I've tested it... And, simply replacing it didn't
> solve the no heat problem, but replacing the overflow tank cap did.
>
> > You can run from May until October here in the
> > northeast and you won't even know you have a problem.
> > See how the temp holds on your car when it gets
> > colder.
>
> Exactly. My problem was in the cold months. With the thermostat
> being open
> all the time, in fall/winter/early spring, it would not get past the first
> mark...until I blocked the radiator, then it ran normal temp.
>
> > If you have to
> > replace the thermo, use a good OEM from Wahler
>
> I used the Wahler. I used the Shokan timing belt "kit" and it came with
> that.
>
> > And by the
> > way, you dont need to pull eveything apart. The
> > thermo can be weaseled out of there without removing
> > the timing belt. A pain, but not major.
>
> I guess that depends on what car. On my A4Q 12V, it was a major pain. I
> have 70k and it's 10 years old, so I wanted to do the timing
> belt/water pump
> etc. service anyway.
>
> Regards,
>
> Austin
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:05:53 -0400
> From: "Calvyn" <Calvyn at stny.rr.com>
> Subject: [V6-12v] RE: [A4] Airbag lite
> To: <Brizax at aol.com>, <a4 at audifans.com>, <v6-12v at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <200507062105.j66L5jP4029268 at ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com>
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> Exactly 2 minutes.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: a4-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:a4-bounces at audifans.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Brizax at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:01 PM
> To: Calvyn at stny.rr.com; a4 at audifans.com; v6-12v at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [A4] Airbag lite
>
> stays on a min or 2? or stays on like 5 secs? its normal for it to go out
> after the others
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:56:54 -0400
> From: "Doug Macy" <dmacy1 at atlanticbb.net>
> Subject: [V6-12v] REGISTRATION OPEN FOR Old School Quattro's 2005
> Cumberland, MD Aug 19-21
> To: <v6-12v at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <HIEHLEDPCNDKGPNCFLDKCEGLCIAA.dmacy1 at atlanticbb.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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> This was a nice little event last year, had about 12 Audis total, 8 of us
> auto crossed, everyone enjoyed the "Long way to the picnic"
> Mountain Cruise.
>
> Entries are now rolling in and we hope to get the car count up around 25
> this year.
>
> Regular AX registration will be open (to everyone) July 17th so
> go ahead and
> register now...
> 2nd flight is reserved for us and we are hoping to fill the grid
> with Audis!
>
> We will be lining all of the Audis up in Heat #2 of Saturday Autocross 5
> runs
> are almost guaranteed for $30 (conditions permitting) FAST AIRPORT COURSE!
>
> Special Trophies for Audi Fast Time of the Day in Rookie, Stock and Mod
> cars.
>
> Lots of other very fast autocrossers from Balt., DC, and PGH to gun for!
>
> Audi Paddock inside autocross venue for up to 20 cars not autocrossing.
>
> Nice 60 mile cruise through the Mountains of Western MD on the way to a
> fabulous
> crab feat/picnic with lots of other car nuts at the site of one of the
> finest
> Corvette collections in the Eastern US.
>
> Camping and Hotels Available - stay for the regular Sunday Autocross!
>
> Event is Focused on 1995.5 and older Quattro Models, but ALL AUDIS are
> welcomed!
>
> COMPLETE INFO HERE:
> http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/d/r/drk150/OSQ/osq.html
>
> Special 60 day Pre-registration for Saturday Autocross is now open!
>
> http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/d/r/drk150/OSQ/signup.pdf
>
>
> Or email : dmacy1 at atlanticbb.net
>
> Doug Macy
> Cumberland, MD
>
> 1990 Audi Coupe Quattro Pearl 20V
>
> or: Dave Kraige drk150 at email.psu.edu>
>
>
>
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