[V6-12v] Starter motor

Fri Nov 23 17:15:26 PST 2007

Clive,

The upper one if I remember correctly is just one of the bolts holding the
tranny to the engine.  Its 19mm if I remember correctly, well its either 19,
or its 17.  It shouldn't be that difficult to get with a ratchet, 6" ext and
deep well 19.  I believe that's how I got mine out last time.  However, it
might be on there pretty tight so, you might need something longer than your
standard 12" long ratchet.  A 2' breaker bar or a small length of pipe to
fit over your ratchet should give you the leverage you need to break it
lose.

Course once you have it loose, its still a pain in the arse to get it out of
the car, but if you move it around a lot, you can get it out.

Good luck!

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: v6-12v-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:v6-12v-bounces at audifans.com] On
Behalf Of Clive Young
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:05 PM
To: 'Tom Christiansen'
Cc: v6-12v at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [V6-12v] Starter motor

okay i surrender .....
I see the problem is the braided line from the starter relay to the starter
is completely coroded and gone. easy right . well 60 minutes to remove the
belt, alternator, and lower starter motor bolt. 
90  minutes after that even  and I can't even SEE the upper one. I refuse to
believe I have to take the engine mount out to do this. I can see it in
there with a mirror  but that is all. I have gone in with extensions and
guessing different sizes but I am still no where. What am I missing ? I have
even removed the dipstick. It feels like it should be about a 12 or 13mm but
I just can't get an angle on it

help ..  !!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Christiansen [mailto:tomchr at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:40 PM
To: Clive Young
Subject: Re: [V6-12v] Starter motor

Clive,

The starter is always grounded. The fat wire is battery plus. The
skinny wire controls the solenoid (which controls a pair of contacts
connecting the fat wire to the starter motor and throws the pinion
gear into the flywheel). If you connect the terminal for the skinny
wire with the terminal for the fat wire, the starter should run. Make
sure the car is in neutral before you mess with this.

If you decide to do it on the workbench, make sure to clamp down the
starter securely before hooking up power to it. The torque of the
motor will cause the starter to move and you don't really want it
falling on your toes.

You can usually take the starter apart. You can take the front of it
off to get access to the fork controlling the pinion gear. That could
give you some clues as to why the starter won't work.

Tom

On Nov 22, 2007 6:57 AM, Clive Young <cyoung1661 at rogers.com> wrote:
> If I remember correctly one side of the starter is constantly hot , and
you
> have to ground the other side to get it to turn over. I think it may be
> safer to just remove it and throw it on the work bench.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Christiansen [mailto:tomchr at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:33 AM
> To: Clive Young
> Subject: Re: [V6-12v] Starter motor
>
> Clive,
>
> I think you need to connect one of the terminals of the relay to
> battery plus. But of course if you choose the wrong terminal, you'll
> probably fry something. I think it'll be safer to find that connector.
> If your car has one. Otherwise bridge the terminals at the starter
> like you said.
>
> Tom
>
> On Nov 21, 2007 5:24 PM, Clive Young <cyoung1661 at rogers.com> wrote:
> > Okay I know what you mean now. The big fatty is of course the starter
> cable
> > and the small one runs to the relay. I am hoping to just short out the
> relay
> > and have it turn over but I don't think so.
> >
> > I'll let you know
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Christiansen [mailto:tomchr at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:14 PM
> > To: Clive Young
> > Subject: Re: [V6-12v] Starter motor
> >
> > Clive,
> >
> > Yeah. I took my harness out and brought it into my electronics lab.
> > Made life much easier and more comfortable.
> >
> > I never actually took the starter out of my car myself. I was parked
> > close to the curb and had no easy way to get under the car. So I had
> > it towed to the shop and had them do the job. I know the starter is on
> > the right side of the car. On mine there was a really fat wiring
> > harness that went from the battery to the starter. It should be pretty
> > obvious. The little control wire I was mentioning runs in that harness
> > I think. It comes up aft of the battery and I guess continues to the
> > relay/fuse panel. I recall there being a single-pole connector just
> > aft (and maybe below) the battery. You could access the same wire at
> > the alarm relay I bet.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2007 2:42 PM, Clive Young <cyoung1661 at rogers.com> wrote:
> > > Glad you got her fixed, I did mine last year, whenever I went to lock
> the
> > > trunk the reverse lights came on :-) not the best feeling in the world
> > when
> > > it your car looks like Christine and wants to back over you when you
are
> > > locking the trunk. I ended up taking the whole harned out and doing it
> on
> > my
> > > Kitchen table. You are so right about the shorting every wire was worn
> > > through. a fire waiting to happen.
> > >
> > > I have not had a chance to look into the starter but what did you mean
> > about
> > > a wire running fromthe battery ? i was thinking of climbing under and
> > seeing
> > > if I could just short it witha screwdriver, or taking it right out and
> > > having it tested.
> > >
> > > I hope it is something simple but it never is . I don't have to take
> > > anything off to get to it do I ? I hope I don't have to take the cats
> off
> > > agaian.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Christiansen" <tomchr at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Clive Young" <cyoung1661 at rogers.com>
> > > Cc: <v6-12v at audifans.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 3:16 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [V6-12v] Starter motor
> > >
> > >
> > > > Clive,
> > > >
> > > > I did some business with them in early July. They helped me out with
a
> > > > lock box for a rear left door that had crapped out on me causing the
> > > > door to be unable to shut. I felt like a redneck driving around with
> > > > the two rear doors tied together with twine and a couple of bungee
> > > > cords... :-)
> > > >
> > > > Fixed my trunk lid wiring harness last night. Man. It's amazing
> > > > nothing shorted out. All wires except two were completely worn
> > > > through. I did see the telltale signs of malfunctioning door locks
> > > > (wouldn't lock from the trunk), the fog light indicator in the
switch
> > > > lighting up even when the lights were not on, lack of license plate
> > > > lights, trunk light only working when the lid was almost closed,
etc.
> > > > Bizarre... But sure enough. The tight bend by the lower hinge had
> > > > caused the wires to break from the continuous wear.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 21, 2007 9:55 AM, Clive Young <cyoung1661 at rogers.com> wrote:
> > > >> Well guys I still haven't crawled under the car to see what is
wrong
> > with
> > > >> that starter.. crapped out I am sure. Does anybody know if force 5
is
> > > >> still
> > > >> in business and if Chris is still there ? I don't think I even have
> an
> > > >> email
> > > >> address anymore . I may as well start pricing out a starter..
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks guys
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> V6-12v mailing list
> > > >> V6-12v at audifans.com
> > > >> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/v6-12v
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

_______________________________________________
V6-12v mailing list
V6-12v at audifans.com
http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/v6-12v