[V8] Re: V8 Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
Dmitry
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Tue May 10 12:00:39 EDT 2005
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vrac> 1. steel brake lines. (Carter Johnson)
vrac> 2. Re: RE: [V8] Rear diff weight (sdewitt at stx.rr.com)
vrac> 3. RE: steel brake lines. (Coleman, David)
vrac> 4. Re: Re: steel brake lines.... (Ingo Rautenberg)
vrac> 5. Re: Re: steel brake lines.... (Nate Stuart)
vrac> 6. Re: Stainless Steel Brake lines WAS: Jeremy's to-do list,
vrac> (SuffolkD at aol.com)
vrac> 7. RE: Re: steel brake lines.... (Coleman, David)
vrac> 8. Re: fuel regulator (Denis)
vrac> 9. Re: steel brake lines. (Kent McLean)
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vrac> Message: 1
vrac> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 05:57:39 -0700 (PDT)
vrac> From: Carter Johnson <carterjohnson3 at yahoo.com>
vrac> Subject: [V8] steel brake lines.
vrac> To: v8 at audifans.com
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vrac> I had the SS lines on my 4000CSQ - they helped pedal
vrac> feel a bit, and were the same price as stock hoses, so
vrac> it was a no-brainer. Not sure if I'd do them on the
vrac> V8, but I drive it pretty conservatively compared to
vrac> my GT, which is almost exclusively track use.
vrac> As for WRC cars - they've got water-cooled calipers -
vrac> what do YOU think they're using?????
vrac> :-)
vrac> Carter
vrac> W. Carter Johnson
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vrac> Message: 2
vrac> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:05:55 -0500
vrac> From: sdewitt at stx.rr.com
vrac> Subject: Re: RE: [V8] Rear diff weight
vrac> To: "Buchholz, Steven" <Steven.Buchholz at kla-tencor.com>
vrac> Cc: v8 at audifans.com
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vrac> The V8 rear diffs have about 6 different part numbers for the torsen
vrac> diff. I suspect that as the model progressed Audi changed the diff bias
vrac> slightly resulting in a different part number.
vrac> ----- Original Message -----
vrac> From: "Buchholz, Steven" <Steven.Buchholz at kla-tencor.com>
vrac> Date: Monday, May 9, 2005 4:06 pm
vrac> Subject: RE: [V8] Rear diff weight
>> ... I do not believe this is borne out by TFA ... at least not on the
>> 3.6 liter models. I don't remember the codes, but the MT rear diff is
>> the same code as that for the 4.2 automatics ... the 3.6 automatic
>> reardiff is a different code.
>>
>> Note, I'm not talking about FDRs ... as far as I understand they
>> are all
>> 4.11:1 independent of the code ...
>>
>> Steve B
>> San Jose, CA (USA)
>> >
>> > IIRC the rear diff is the same for Auto and manual cars....
>>
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vrac> Message: 3
vrac> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:07:38 -0400
vrac> From: "Coleman, David" <David.Coleman at blackrock.com>
vrac> Subject: RE: [V8] steel brake lines.
vrac> To: "Carter Johnson" <carterjohnson3 at yahoo.com>, <v8 at audifans.com>
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>> As for WRC cars - they've got water-cooled calipers
vrac> Now *that's* a brake upgrade...
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vrac> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:45:36 -0400
vrac> From: "Ingo Rautenberg" <irautenberg at comcast.net>
vrac> Subject: Re: [V8] Re: steel brake lines....
vrac> To: "Roger M. Woodbury" <rmwoodbury at downeast.net>, <v8 at audifans.com>
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vrac> You can buy DOT approved stainless lines (BTDT). I've seen some pics of
vrac> failed lines, but these were always from track use. Regardless, I think
vrac> it's always a good idea to check your lines every time you're
vrac> servicing/inspecting your brakes (manadatory prior to track events anyway).
vrac> Roger,
vrac> I'm with you on the UFO's. Of the four V8's I've purchased, mom's latest is
vrac> the first that came with UFO's, and I'm impressed. I'd liken them to my Big
vrac> Red setup with the Porsche 993tt calipers and Coleman rotors -- definitely
vrac> outshine those G60's. Definitely an "upgrade" to consider on a later model
vrac> v8 IMO (and were standard on European V8's and UrS4s/S6s.
vrac> Yes, those rotors definitely prefer longer autobahn stops from high speed to
vrac> constant city driving -- as do I. :-)
vrac> -Ingo
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vrac> Message: 5
vrac> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:23:17 -0400
vrac> From: "Nate Stuart" <newt at motorgeek.com>
vrac> Subject: Re: [V8] Re: steel brake lines....
vrac> To: "Coleman, David" <David.Coleman at blackrock.com>,
vrac> <z1sales at z1auto.com>, <rmwoodbury at downeast.net>, <v8 at audifans.com>
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vrac> I think everyone is missing the point. We all know SS lines work, and do
vrac> provide a solid pedal. Thats not in question. It's the lifespan thats the
vrac> concern. And the fact that a SS line can and will look perfectly good until
vrac> the day is seperates from the fittings, or splits internally.
vrac> I'll bet my last jellybean any racing crew (WRC especially!) worth their
vrac> salt is replacing every brake line before every event. Are you?
vrac> -Nate
vrac> '89 90v8ttq
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vrac> ----- Original Message -----
vrac> From: "Coleman, David" <David.Coleman at blackrock.com>
vrac> To: <z1sales at z1auto.com>; <rmwoodbury at downeast.net>; <v8 at audifans.com>
vrac> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:50 AM
vrac> Subject: RE: [V8] Re: steel brake lines....
vrac> I have SS lines on my car and expect to keep them. I've been known to ask a
vrac> lot of my brakes at times, and a brake line's reaction to high heat (or
vrac> temperature fluctuation) is a concern of mine. Also, and perhaps more
vrac> importantly for the group as a whole (especially those on the gravel roads
vrac> of rural Maine), a friend of mine once cut open a rubber brake line while
vrac> yahooing it up on a gravel road in his Rabbit back in the day.
vrac> Granted, the line might have been lower quality anyway, and it was probably
vrac> a fluke, but it happened. I'd bet my last jellybean that the WRC guys use
vrac> SS lines.
vrac> -DaveC.
vrac> Almost tasting the overhauled V8...
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: v8-bounces at audifans.com
>> [mailto:v8-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of z1sales at z1auto.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:19 AM
>> To: rmwoodbury at downeast.net; v8 at audifans.com
>> Subject: re: [V8] Re: steel brake lines....
>>
>> FWIW I am using the stainless lines on my V8 and they have
>> worked out very well. I have also never had to replace a set
>> of stainless lines, be it on my race cars or street cars,
>> ever. We did it as a "while we are in there" over the winter.
>>
>> Performance wise, there is absolutely a firmer pedal with the
>> stainless lines on the V8 vs the stock rubber ones
>>
>> Adam
>> Z1 Performance
>> www.z1auto.com
>> 631-863-3820
>> 631-863-3821 Fax
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>> From: "Roger M. Woodbury" <rmwoodbury at downeast.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:37 AM
>> To: v8 at audifans.com
>> Subject: [V8] Re: steel brake lines....
>>
>> The question of whether or not to use stainless steel brake
>> lines comes up from time to time on a lot of these lists. A
>> similar thread has just ended on the Porsche 928 list. The
>> conclusion from some "hard core" racer types...those with
>> track prepared and track use only 928s...was that stainless
>> lines were fine for track use but served no purpose on the street.
>> In point of fact, the comments mostly indicated that
>> stainless lines needed replacement before every race season,
>> which would seem to make them undesirable for a street car,
>> needing to have brake lines service the car for fifty or
>> sixty thousand miles.
>>
>> I mostly don't pay a lot of attention to the topic of brake
>> lines, higher rate shock absorbers, specialty springs and
>> neat, gizzie wheels. For my next V8, the only real
>> modification that I will be at all interested in will be
>> bigger brakes and sixteen inch wheels, IF the wheels are even
>> necessary.
>> The reason is that the majority of my driving involves
>> relatively rough, two lane rural roads, and with big wheels
>> and very low profile tires, it would be a race to see whether
>> the driving conditions killed the car first, or me.
>>
>> After thorough testing of the brake theory with my soon to be
>> daily driver 200 20Valve Avant, I might even consider keeping
>> the next V8 with stock wheels size, and UFO brakes, assuming
>> that I can find all the parts to make the conversion when
>> that time rolls around. My Avant had practically new UFOs
>> that were put on by the PO, and that was a chief attraction,
>> as I had never had a car with UFOs before. I think that UFO
>> failure is chiefly due to the nature of US urban driving
>> conditions, which are different than when Audi decided to use
>> UFOs in certain of their high speed cars.
>>
>> My theory is that the kind of driving that I normally do is
>> more like what Audi had envisioned when they produced cars
>> with UFOs. The only real basis for this theory, in case you
>> are wondering if I have been smoking something funny, is that
>> in 1985 when my wife-at-the-time and I bought a new 5000 S
>> Avant for her use, we went through a set of rotors in about
>> 15,000 miles.
>> Audi replaced the rotors under warranty, and did so again at
>> 30,000 miles.
>> The explanation was that the car's rotors were intended for
>> high speed highway use, and the predominantly intown use of
>> the car was eating brake rotors and pads. Those rotors
>> weren't UFOs, but seem to indicate what Audi may have thought
>> was "proper" use of their vehicle.
>>
>> As far as brake lines are concerned, it is my experience that
>> anytime after about fifty thousand miles, all the brake
>> lines, rubber suspension bushings, drive shaft bushings and
>> bearings are all subject to replacement, and certainly by
>> 100,000 miles they are all used up. I have only had one or
>> two brake lines actually fail in my driving experience, but
>> one thing seems
>> certain: a brake line will ALWAYS fail due to age and
>> deterioration at around oh-dark-thirty when you are thirty
>> five miles from the nearest public telephone or street light,
>> and where there is NO cell phone service. It will also be
>> either raining or snowing very hard.
>>
>> It is sort of a rule, I think.
>>
>> Roger
>>
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vrac> Message: 6
vrac> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:25:26 EDT
vrac> From: SuffolkD at aol.com
vrac> Subject: [V8] Re: Stainless Steel Brake lines WAS: Jeremy's to-do
vrac> list,
vrac> To: v8 at audifans.com, cwurts12 at mindspring.com
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vrac> Here is a photo of a SS brake line that let go on a DE (track event) student.
vrac> No warning "supposedly", at the end of the 115 MPH start/finsh straightaway
vrac> where the end is a 90 degree corner (turn 1 @ Watkins Glen).
vrac> I'd say NEW OEM lines are cheap and will eliminate MOST of the flex and
vrac> expansion when braking....I.E: give a firmer pedal than what you have now.
vrac> -Scott by BOSTON quattro123.com Event photos listed under track events 2003
vrac> Watkins Glen.
vrac> http://www.quattro123.com/WG3MVC-423F.JPG
>> From: Charles Wurts <>
>>
>> Regarding brake lines, FWIW, I have not seen DOT approved Stainless
>>
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vrac> Message: 7
vrac> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:51:01 -0400
vrac> From: "Coleman, David" <David.Coleman at blackrock.com>
vrac> Subject: RE: [V8] Re: steel brake lines....
vrac> To: "Nate Stuart" <newt at motorgeek.com>, <z1sales at z1auto.com>,
vrac> <rmwoodbury at downeast.net>, <v8 at audifans.com>
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>> It's the lifespan thats the concern. And the fact that a SS
>> line can and will look perfectly good until the day is
>> seperates from the fittings, or splits internally...
vrac> ... or has the internal lining poke through the braiding... or collapses
vrac> internally. Very true, that is the overall point, and it is indeed more
vrac> likely that a rubber line will give a visual clue to an impending
vrac> failure, though I don't think anyone is saying their use means no longer
vrac> having to replace brake lines. I'm not sure if I've ever seen
vrac> DOT-approved SS lines, and it's probably for that reason -- a state
vrac> inspection tech can't properly assess a line's condition -- not easily
vrac> at least. For me, converting to 996 calipers and the need for custom
vrac> ends is really what prompted my use of SS lines, not trying to get more
vrac> longevity out of them.
>> I'll bet my last jellybean any racing crew (WRC especially!)
>> worth their salt is replacing every brake line before every
>> event. Are you?
vrac> Nope, but this thread will definitely further encourage me to replace my
vrac> SS lines every two or three brake jobs... Which is a good thing.
vrac> -Dave-
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vrac> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:39:23 -0400
vrac> From: "Denis" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
vrac> Subject: Re: [V8] fuel regulator
vrac> To: <george.fallot at verizon.net>, <v8 at audifans.com>
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vrac> Depend what quality fuel do you use, if you run the car at 1/4 tank (makes condensation) ...... and luck :-)
vrac> Mine is 3000 000km and still working.
vrac> Рenis
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vrac> From: george.fallot at verizon.net
vrac> To: V8 at audifans.com
vrac> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 10:28 PM
vrac> Subject: [V8] fuel regulator
vrac> Anybody know how long a fuel regulator usually lasts?
vrac> Thanks,George
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vrac> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:49:43 -0400
vrac> From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at mindspring.com>
vrac> Subject: Re: [V8] steel brake lines.
vrac> To: Carter Johnson <carterjohnson3 at yahoo.com>
vrac> Cc: v8 at audifans.com
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vrac> Carter Johnson wrote:
>> As for WRC cars - they've got water-cooled calipers -
>> what do YOU think they're using?????
vrac> Do the little radiators have plastic end caps? :)
vrac> --
vrac> Kent McLean
vrac> '94 100 S Avant, "Moody"
vrac> '89 200 TQ, "Bad Puppy" up in smoke
vrac> '56 Austin-Healey 100 BN2, for sale
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