I had them, and wasn't very impressed, although not on the V8 - on my 4000Q. By far, the Michelin Artic Alpins I currently have are the best snow tires I've driven on - unstudded, at least. Carter W. Carter Johnson SileStone/Counterfitt of RI 401-789-3217 home --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.