[V8] Is this the "new" Porsche hotrod list?

[Tony and Lillie]

Well said, thank you Roger.

As a side note, I've talked to both Keith Tacket and Bruce McGuire in depth 
in the past, and both were very helpful and professional. I'd also like to 
hear the details of the transaction.

Tony Hoffman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger M. Woodbury" <rmwoodbury at adelphia.net>
To: <v8 at audifans.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [V8] Is this the "new" Porsche hotrod list?


>I hope not.
>
> What's the "Porsche hotrod list", you ask?
>
> Well let me tell you a little story.  A short while ago, I got really
> involved with Porsches.  My daily driver was a 1989 Audi 200 Avant, and in
> the garage for other duties rested a 1988 Porsche 911 Targa and a 1987
> Porsche 928S4.  Naturally, I belonged to almost all the Porsche email 
> lists.
> The 928S4 was a replacement for a very nice 944, and the 911 was, well, it
> was here because I always wanted to have one.
>
> But as those particular cars got older, the membership seemed to get
> younger. Or maybe I just got older.  Whatever the situation, there 
> developed
> on some of the lists...not ALL of them, but some...a certain edginess that
> was unpleasant.  More "in your face" kind of exchanges, with little real
> substance.  Just smart mouth stuff, as though the writer, cloaked in the
> anonymity of the Internet, was going to "show" someone what a big hot shoe
> he was.
>
> Gradually, I reduced my membership, until only the 928 group was left.
>
> After I bought my second V8 Quattro, I looked around until I found this
> list.  This list was much like the 928 lists that I belonged to.  I think 
> it
> might have had something to do with the simple fact that unless you 
> actually
> had the experience, you wouldn't know what it was.  Certainly in the case 
> of
> the 928, almost every other Porsche owner looked askance at the car, as
> though the 928 wasn't somehow a "real" Porsche.  (Of course the 928 was 
> the
> first "real" Porsche; designed using a totally clean sheet of paper and 
> not
> at all influenced by VW, or for that matter, Ferdinand.  But the 911 
> people
> didn't want authenticity, they only wanted obsolescence, but I digress).
>
> So on this list are people who know and love or perhaps hate the V8 
> Quattro,
> which was Audi's first real venture into the luxury automobile field.  It
> was a failure.  It was a failure because it may have been about a decade
> ahead of its time.  Now, it is a car that those of us who have or have 
> had,
> or want one, know about, but the number of people like us is small and
> dwindling about as fast as the number of cars available for us to own.  I
> doubt that there are ten thousand left on American roads today, and 
> probably
> a lot fewer.
>
> So, when we have a resource available to us that can help us to maintain 
> our
> vehicles into their second DECADE of service and beyond, I think it makes
> good sense to display a certain amount of loyalty to that resource.
>
> Recently I read a lister slamming Bruce at Audi Connection (Now German 
> Auto
> Connection).  There was no real content to the indictment, just that
> something had gone terribly wrong in the discussion between the lister and
> Bruce, and therefore, Bruce was a "bad guy".
>
> Well, wait a minute.  I have never bought anything from Audi/German Auto
> Connection.  But I have had occasion to ask some questions of Bruce about
> specific types of problems, and I have received prompt and professional
> replies.  No, I have not asked Bruce or anyone there to diagnose a problem
> with a vehicle, but I know that if I do need a diagnosis, it will be
> furnished in professional detail FOR A FEE. Seems fairs to me:  German 
> Auto
> Connection is a business with specific valued information about the Audi 
> V8
> Quattro that a lot of franchised dealers do not have.  So, if there is
> something that is needed for these cars, be it information or parts, then
> the availability of a resource like Bruce is of great value.
>
> The hinting around at something that had been terribly wrong without 
> giving
> more than mere slander as "proof" is childish and immature.  If the story 
> is
> worth telling, then tell it like it is, and be very specific for that is 
> one
> of the values of this list.  This is not a club with a secret handshake, 
> it
> is an open forum for the exchange of information about these fine
> automobiles and mere bad mouthing some professional because of hurt 
> feelings
> demean all of us on this list.
>
> So if someone has a problem with a business transaction involving ANY
> supplier then present the situation in complete detail, being honest and
> forth right about the expectations that were not met so that both sides of
> the story can be reviewed.  I doubt that there will be any counter claim
> made by a commercial business so if a negative report is going to be made 
> by
> a lister about a supplier, I think it would be of benefit to all of us to
> hear the WHOLE story, including what happened, what was expected, where 
> the
> falling off of service occurred, and what the result was of attempted
> mediation of the issue.  If all the details are left out, what is left is
> mere childish rumor.
>
> I don't want to see this list become like some of the Porsche lists to 
> which
> I belonged for many years.  I do not want to read posts about how cool it
> was to be going to the Seven Eleven to buy diapers and on the way, "Man: 
> I
> smoked that Rice Eater at two stoplights!"
>
> I also don’t want to read gossip about this or that company or service 
> with
> an established reputation of support and professionalism without a lot of
> detail and truthfulness.
>
> That would be just a waste of my time.
>
> Roger
>
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