[V8] Dizzy Seals
Scott Simmons
indischrot at gmail.com
Fri Oct 26 20:12:31 PDT 2007
There's a set pin on the flange, that aligns it to the head. The
distributor shaft is keyed to the camshaft. BUT, the distributor
housing (what the cap bolts to) can rotate to be adjusted. There are
moon shaped cuts to allow it to rotate on its bolts. BUT, I didn't play
with a lot, so it may very well be aligned to the flange in a manner I
did not see. I do remember that the alignment pin on the flange stuck
down into the head, AND upwards.. so maybe that keys the outer portion
of the dizzy. I'll check next week when I do the other side (if World
Impex ever gets me the parts on time, in the correct quantity.....)
My engine had stopped a few degrees BDC, so I just left it. I just made
a mental note that the rotor was pointing towards the wheel well. Thus,
during installation, it fit into the cam pointing at the wheel well.
The pics is a cap that is about 2 months old and has some scoring on the
contacts. dizzy2.jpg shows it the best. I'll take better pics when I
take the other side off.
I smirk at the idea of the dizzy's being replaced in 1997. How much did
THAT cost the owner??? Probably as much it costs to replace a coil pack
on a 2000 A8. Check please.
As an aside, if any of you have any extra nose cones that screw onto RTV
tubes, I'd like them. I use them for a lot of different chemicals that
are packaged in the same tube but generally don't come with the cones
(dielectric grease, e.g.) and rather than stealing them out of packages,
I'll take any old, clean ones you guys have.
~Scott S.
Dave Saad wrote:
> Hmmm...
>
> The distributor cap is keyed to the distributor, and the distributor
> is keyed to the head. There is no adjustment of any kind, anywhere.
> Are you sure you installed the cap properly?
>
> As far as your old caps go, they look fantastic to me. Of course,
> looks can be very deceiving with ignition parts so the thing to look
> for is carbon tracks and burned spots. Anything like that and you
> need a new part. Rotors are sometimes harder to visually inspect
> since the failure is going to happen on the inside where the rotor
> fits over the shaft.
>
> Dave
>
> On Oct 26, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Scott Simmons wrote:
>
>> Had time/sunlight/heat enough today to do one of my distributors.
>> Wisely chose to do the one that was actively leaking. Found out it's
>> near impossible to clean off all those dang engine and transmission
>> flanges of grease and gunk. Couldn't figure out a way to squirt
>> anything on there so just poured degreaser and used gravity to get most
>> of the stuff.
>>
>> Hardest part was getting the dizzy out. It went in like a charm but
>> needed some "attitude adjustment" to come out. Nobody ever mentioned
>> the adjustability to advance/retard the cap??? I marked it and got it
>> as close to the mark as possible. Is there a way to verify that the
>> dizzy is (and was) in the right spot?
>>
>> Apparently, the right distributor had a date of 1997. Huh.
>>
>> Replaced caps and rotors in the middle of August. Here's what the cap
>> looks like:
>>
>> http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/indischrot/audi/dizzy2.jpg
>>
>> http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/indischrot/audi/dizzy1.jpg
>>
>> Is this Normal or Abby Normal? They look rather worn...
>>
>> ~Scott S.
>>
>> Ron Wainwright wrote:
>>
>>> Scott, lets not sound the alarm off here...I said use
>>> some...some Black RTV GASKET MAKER on the dizzy
>>> flangegaskets..I mean howe many listers even know
>>> there is a dizzy flange....never mind a dizzy flange
>>> gasket?!!
>>>
>>> I have in the over 10 V8 t-belts I've done ever run
>>> into a problem using the Black RTV Gasket maker..END
>>> OF STORY!! & I as I noted....I only use it on the Blue
>>> flange gaskets at the back of the head.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> --- Dag Bøsterud <dag.boesterud at consulgranada.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I had my seals replaced a few weeks back, and no RTV
>>>> was used.
>>>>
>>>> /Dag
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Scott Simmons" <indischrot at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Ron Wainwright" <ron_01056 at yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: <v8 at audifans.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [V8] Dizzy Seals
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Ron,
>>>>>
>>>>> I found Jeff Goldberg's old post but it's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> removal only, no install.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> He doesn't mention RTV either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Wainwright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott, Obviousley take the airfilter box stuff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> off.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Too remove the cap's I use a 1/4 inch deep 8mm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> socket,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> & a T-30 for the three torx cheese bolts that hold
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> plug wire holder to the back part of the
>>>>>> Intake.....then remove the cap's & wires.
>>>>>> At this point even if I'm R&R'ing the dizzy seals
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> like to spin the motor around to TDC. So you'll
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> too remove the rad fan. Two 10mm bolts & place the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> fan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> on the Hydro res. I all so remove the shroud for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> serp driven fan...again two 10mm bolts & you'll be
>>>>>> able to mauver the shroud more too the pass side
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> so
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> you can put a 27mm socket & ratchet on the Crank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> bolt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> So once the motor is at TDC,
>>>>>> you can use a 10mm 1/4 socket to remove the two
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> dizzy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> bolts. Wiggle the dizzy's free. There's a big
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> thick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Green 0-ring. If you don't have them...dealer only
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> &
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> only like a few $$$ each...but IF you'r going to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> use
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> RTV clean the area...but at this point you can
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> use the 10mm socket to remove the Dizzy Flange.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> There
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> is a rubbery Blue thin gaskets. I usually use the
>>>>>> Black RTV on that gasket..even when I replace them
>>>>>> with new ones....but again after you remove clean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> area good.
>>>>>> Put a thin bead around the Blue Flange gasket &
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> bolt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> it back to the Block.
>>>>>> I all so replace the Green Dizzy seals with new &
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> DON'T use RTV on that. It's usually a tight press
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> back
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> in. Of course I soak the 0-rings in oil for a
>>>>>> bit..makes it easier to slide the Dizzy's back on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> But
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> NO RTV..unless you will be reusing those gaskets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pretty easy huh?? LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's some pics for your viewing enjoyment. I
>>>>>> documented step by step the how too on T-belt
>>>>>> replacement.....the way it's SUPPOSED to be done
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?
>>>>> t=16399&highlight=stroker
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if the pics come up for you...or just
>>>>>> join Motorgeek for Krists sake...great web site!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Scott Simmons <indischrot at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm taking advantage of nice weather and going to
>>>>>>> replace my distributor
>>>>>>> seals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The KB is gone (porn??) so I've lost all those
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> nice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> pictures. Ron, you
>>>>>>> have any that show the back? It thought there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> some on the Timing
>>>>>>> Belt page. I know there was a pic somewhere
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> showing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> where to put the
>>>>>>> RTV and all that jazz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, where does one get the parts besides the
>>>>>>> dealer? The closest Audi
>>>>>>> Money Removal Facility is a couple hundred miles.
>>>>>>> Neither Fap99 nor
>>>>>>> Autohaus has them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~Scott S.
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