[V8] Serpentine Belt
Ron Wainwright
ron_01056 at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 2 09:49:33 PST 2009
I would defiantly check that alt/VR then.
I all so am waiting to hear back From Bruce about some stuff... but haven't heard back from him yet.
Going to NAPA you'll prolly get the Goodyear gator-back belt I think is what it's called? Supposedly it's got steel wires/fibers running the length of it making it stronger/last longer.
Never used one.... I've all ways used the Conti belt's.
& while I agree with how Ed describes how to R&R the VR W/O removing the alt...... I know that the two phillips screws that hold the VR in can be a bitch to remove! The screws screw into the back of the alt case/body... more times than not while removing the screws I've come pretty close to stripping out the head/s of the screws cause the screws are a different metal than the alt.. so with cold/hot, road grime, oil, ect the threads of the screws & the holes get crusty so to speak.
It would just be..... better? ...... to remove the alt, put it on a bench, & have enough leverage/torque/angle, ect.... to get a good grip on those screws!
All so as Ed noted you have to remove the belly pan....2 10mm nuts, 8 fender type bolts (10mm) will remove the pan. One phillips screw to remove the alt air snorkel, one 8mm (I've all so seen phillips screws) in the outter half of the alt cooling tube/half circle ( you'll see a wide hole in the Black plastic tube part... the bolt/screw is in there).
I'de all so remove the 10mm nut on the clamp that holds the wires to the provission on top of the Black alt air duct thinggy ( seen from under hood).
You CAN remove the alt W/O removing the inner part of the air duct half circle thinggy. Two 17mm bolts & one 13mm bolt hold the alt to the P-side t-belt cover.
So when the alt comes out there still will be part.. or half of the Black plastic air duct attached to the back of the alt still.
Ron
--- On Mon, 2/2/09, bblake1055 at aol.com <bblake1055 at aol.com> wrote:
> From: bblake1055 at aol.com <bblake1055 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [V8] Serpentine Belt
> To: ron_01056 at yahoo.com, v8q at bellsouth.net
> Cc: v8 at audifans.com
> Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 11:49 AM
> I've had the car?8 years and bought it off the list from
> a Washington DC owner.? It had 84,000 on it then and now has
> 172,000.? I've never done anything with the alternator,
> so It probaly is ready.? I haven't done the belt yet.? I
> was waiting for Bruce to email me back on the parts I need.?
> I saw a couple of Web sites that offer the belt but I'll
> probably just go to Napa and get one.
>
> I've got to get the O rings for the 92 first and
> finished that so I can get my garage back!!
>
> 4 V8's TOOOOO Many!!!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Wainwright <ron_01056 at yahoo.com>
> To: Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net>
> Cc: bblake1055 at aol.com; v8 at audifans.com
> Sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:25 am
> Subject: Re: [V8] Serpentine Belt
>
>
>
> Yes, BTDT specially on the one most nearest the front of
> the car. 13mm bolt I
> think it is?.
> Thanx God those bolts are hollow.. makes it easier to use
> an extractor bit to
> get the rest of the bolt out.
>
> Bob, how old is the alt in the car? You ever mess with it?
> The VR has small thin springs that tension the brushes.
> Over time they get
> rusted & break which will not give you good contact.
> Since your an expert now with removing the serp belt I
> suggest you pull the alt
> out of the car & remove the VR & take a look @ it.
>
> Ron
>
>
> --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [V8] Serpentine Belt
> > To: bblake1055 at aol.com, "v8newlist"
> <V8 at audifans.com>
> > Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 11:18 AM
> > Those banjo bolts can snap and ruin your week...
> >
> > bblake1055 at aol.com wrote:
> > > I'm starting to think it's not the belt
> > causing the problem and that it might be the Voltage
> > Regulator.? I compared the "feel" of the
> belts
> > with the 92 V8 and it felt the same.? I am going to
> pull the
> > damper off and lube it up just to make sure.? I've
> > driven it about 25 miles and so far the battery light
> has
> > not come on.? Maybe just pulling on the belt loosen up
> the
> > damper.
> > >
> > > While looking at the belt on the 92 I found the
> power
> > stering leaking and decided to tackle that problem.?
> After
> > playing with hose clamps and tightening the
> > "Banjo" bolt I made the problem much worse
> and
> > lost about a quart of oil (Mobil D13)
> > >
> > > I'm going?to replace the "O" rings
> on
> > the Banjo bolt and try again
> > >
> > > 4 V8's TOOOOOOO Many!!!!
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ron Wainwright <ron_01056 at yahoo.com>
> > > To: Dave Saad <dsaad at icehouse.net>
> > > Cc: v8 at audifans.com
> > > Sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 9:26 am
> > > Subject: Re: [V8] Serpentine Belt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm going to have to disagree...
> > >
> > > .... while I agree that the bearings inside the
> > tensioner housing "can" get
> > > gummed up ect & not be as smooth as they
> should
> > be.
> .... if the serp belt
> > > tensioner damper isn't doing what it's
> > supposed to do then the tensioner/spring
> > > won't have any resistance.
> > > If you remove the top bolt on the P-side t-belt
> cover
> > that holds the damper
> > > shock to the cover, with a good damper the
> tensioner
> > spring will release the
> > > tension that the damper provides & bottom out
> the
> > spring loaded tensioner
> > > bracket causing the belt to be looser than it
> should
> > be.
> > >
> > > As far as serp belt routing...... I'm guilty
> as
> > charged as well... 1st time I
> > > replaced the belt I had an extra foot of belt
> &
> > for the life of me couldn't see
> > > were I went wrong. After about 1hr of messing
> with it
> > I remembered I had the
> > > manuals & just looked in it for the routing.
> > > I'll never again forget how it goes ;-)
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Dave Saad
> > <dsaad at icehouse.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> From: Dave Saad <dsaad at icehouse.net>
> > >> Subject: Re: [V8] Serpentine Belt
> > >> To: "Audi V8Q Mailing list"
> > <v8 at audifans.com>
> > >> Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 12:54 AM
> > >> The "tensioner" is a big spring
> inside
> > the RHS
> > >> timing cover. There
> > >> is a bearing surface that could get sticky
> but as
> > I recall,
> > >> you can
> > >> take it apart and clean/lube as needed. Of
> course,
> > this
> > >> means taking
> > >> off the RHS timing cover which is a big chunk
> of a
> > full
> > >> timing belt job.
> > >> However if you are talking about the little
> shock
> > like
> > >> thing by the
> > >> alternator, it is only a damper. It does not
> > tension the
> > >> belt at all.
> > >>
> > >> Heed the advice about belt routing too - it
> is
> > weird.
> > >>
> > >> Dave
> > >> On Feb 1, 2009, at 8:13 AM, Tony and Lillie
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I replaced both of the idlesr on mine
> when I
> > did the
> > >> serpentine
> > >>> belt. You
> > >>> don't have to remove the fan.
> However, if
> > you
> > >> don't have the
> > >>> manual, make a
> > >>> drawing on how the belt is routed (or
> look at
> > one of
> > >> your other
> > >>> cars ;-).
> > >>> When I first did mine, I had abou
> t a foot of
> > extra
> > >> belt. The
> > > routing made no
> > >>> sense to me. But, once I got the manual
> out, I
> > >> understood it
> > >>> completely.
> > >>>
> > >>> As for the tensioner, I've never
> replaced
> > mine,
> > >> but if it seems
> > >>> weak, maybe
> > >>> it's time. I think I'd do the
> belt
> > first,
> > >> though. Also, your
> > >>> regulator can
> > >>> be replaced on the alternator, usually
> > it's the
> > >> brushes that wear out.
> > >>> Tony
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> When replacing the belt should I
> replace
> > all the
> > >> tensioners and idler
> > >>>> pulleys also?? Does the fan have to
> come
> > off or
> > >> can you slip it
> > >>>> over the
> > >>>> fan?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks in advance for any input as I
> am
> > running
> > >> out of V8's to drive
> > >>>> Bob Blake
> > >>>
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