[V8] V8 Digest, Vol 76, Issue 31
motorwise
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Wed Feb 24 22:05:40 PST 2010
ok that was a bad joke. Hope your doin allright..........
dont worry about tomorrow. Just let me know what needs to be done if it
varies from routine maintenance.
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> 1. Re: Motor SWAP!!! (Ingo Rautenberg)
> 2. Re: [s-cars] V8 vs A8 now 3.0 V6 (Scott DeWitt)
> 3. Re: [s-cars] V8 vs A8 now 3.0 V6 (Brian K. Ullrich)
> 4. Re: [s-cars] V8 vs A8 now 3.0 V6 (Ingo Rautenberg)
> 5. Re: [s-cars] V8 vs A8 now 3.0 V6 (Dave Head)
> 6. Re: [s-cars] V8 vs A8 now 3.0 V6 (Scott DeWitt)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:41:04 -0500
> From: Ingo Rautenberg <ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [V8] Motor SWAP!!!
> To: "Brian K. Ullrich" <bullrich at ullrichsys.com>
> Cc: V8List Fans <v8 at audifans.com>
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> I can't think of any issues off hand, but either I'm a lot stronger than I
> though or Brian's off in his front bumper weight assumption. I'd guess
> under
> 80 lbs. The bumper itself is aluminum, so it really is no big deal. Just
> be
> careful with the electrical harness plug (near the washer pump iirc).
> Good
> luck.
>
> Ingo
>
> On Feb 24, 2010 9:32 PM, "Brian K. Ullrich" <bullrich at ullrichsys.com>
> wrote:
>
> Good luck Curtis. I'll be very interested in your progress, so check in
> often, and take lots of photos. You could always put it on a blog...might
> be
> a fin thing for you and your son to do, plus it would be informational for
> others who endeavor to perform a motor swap.
>
> Anyway, best of luck. You can count on me to assist in anyway I can.
>
> As for pulling the front end, it would definitely give you better access
> to
> the engine bay, but that front bumper assembly is heavy, about 200 lbs
> IIRC,
> so be careful.
>
> Brian
> '90 200TQ
> '90 V8Q
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Curtis Helton [mailto:fatboy03 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, Februa...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 2:50:35 +0000
> From: Scott DeWitt <sdewitt at stx.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [V8] [s-cars] V8 vs A8 now 3.0 V6
> To: Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net>, v8newlist <V8 at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <20100225025035.HBGT0.71736.root at hrndva-web27-z02>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> The 3.0 gas engine is a piece of shit, probably the worst engine Audi has
> made. The cam sprocket bolts tend to loosen over time resulting in total
> engine destruction.
>
> ---- Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> The 3.0 is a rock solid engine, and you can put a supercharger on it if
>> you want more pep...
>>
>> Brian Armstead wrote:
>> > As an aside from this thread, does anyone know the reliability or any
>> > issues with the 3.0 V6? I'm looking at a 2003 A6 Avant with one. I
>> > like the pep, but don't want a leaking nightmare. Any other a6 Avant
>> > advice? Thanks!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Brian
>> > 93 S4
>> >
>> > Dave C wrote:
>> >> Howdy Q-heads,
>> >>
>> >> My fleet of Audi's consists of two 1987 type 44's. I bought one of
>> >> them in
>> >> 1992, and have been driving and maintaining these things for a very
>> >> long
>> >> time, doing all my own maintenance and know them inside and out. But
>> >> they
>> >> are getting on in years and I find myself considering replacement with
>> >> something newer. The question is "how much newer?"
>> >>
>> >> I'm nervous about not understanding how a car works and maybe being
>> >> unable
>> >> to repair it when things go wrong, etc. I recently drove a 2007 A8
>> >> for the
>> >> first time and was in awe of the complexity of the cockpit with so
>> >> many
>> >> electronic gizzies. I've never driven a V8, or even sat in one for
>> >> that
>> >> matter, but I'm aware of the loyal following they have.
>> >>
>> >> It looks like I could buy a first generation A8 (D2) for somewhere in
>> >> the
>> >> neighborhood of $10K but it would be a ten year old car with 100K
>> >> miles on
>> >> it, so I would need to anticipate repairs from the start. I don't
>> >> want to
>> >> spend a whole lot more than $10 K on a car, but could go higher if I
>> >> felt it
>> >> was worth it.
>> >>
>> >> I'd actually like to have an avant, but choices are limited. A 2002-3
>> >> S6
>> >> avant would be very nice :-) Maybe I should consider an A6 avant.
>> >>
>> >> Considering that I like to keep my cars for a long time and do my own
>> >> maintenance, would I be better off with the more familiar technology
>> >> of the
>> >> V8 or an URS4/6? I think there would be a benefit to getting
>> >> something ten
>> >> years newer than that (A8) but it would still be a 10 year old car.
>> >> Another
>> >> upside re: the A8 is that there are a >lot< more of them available to
>> >> choose
>> >> from. Most of the V8's and URS4's are pretty beat by now... clean
>> >> low-mileage examples are quite scarce.
>> >>
>> >> So ... should look for a clean V8 or URS4?
>> >>
>> >> Or should I look at something much newer and try to adapt to 21st
>> >> century
>> >> automotive technology?
>> >>
>> >> Decisions, decisions.
>> >> - -
>> >> David Conner
>> >> Columbus, OH
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> S-CAR-List mailing list
>> >> http://audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/s-car-list
>> >> http://www.audifans.com/kb/List_information
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:05:32 -0600
> From: "Brian K. Ullrich" <bullrich at ullrichsys.com>
> Subject: Re: [V8] [s-cars] V8 vs A8 now 3.0 V6
> To: "'Scott DeWitt'" <sdewitt at stx.rr.com>, "'Dave Head'"
> <v8q at bellsouth.net>, "'v8newlist'" <V8 at audifans.com>
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> OOOO...controversy... :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott DeWitt [mailto:sdewitt at stx.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:51 PM
> To: Dave Head; v8newlist
> Subject: Re: [V8] [s-cars] V8 vs A8 now 3.0 V6
>
> The 3.0 gas engine is a piece of shit, probably the worst engine Audi has
> made. The cam sprocket bolts tend to loosen over time resulting in total
> engine destruction.
>
> ---- Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> The 3.0 is a rock solid engine, and you can put a supercharger on it if
>> you want more pep...
>>
>> Brian Armstead wrote:
>> > As an aside from this thread, does anyone know the reliability or any
>> > issues with the 3.0 V6? I'm looking at a 2003 A6 Avant with one. I
>> > like the pep, but don't want a leaking nightmare. Any other a6 Avant
>> > advice? Thanks!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Brian
>> > 93 S4
>> >
>> > Dave C wrote:
>> >> Howdy Q-heads,
>> >>
>> >> My fleet of Audi's consists of two 1987 type 44's. I bought one of
> them in
>> >> 1992, and have been driving and maintaining these things for a very
> long
>> >> time, doing all my own maintenance and know them inside and out. But
> they
>> >> are getting on in years and I find myself considering replacement with
>> >> something newer. The question is "how much newer?"
>> >>
>> >> I'm nervous about not understanding how a car works and maybe being
> unable
>> >> to repair it when things go wrong, etc. I recently drove a 2007 A8
>> >> for
> the
>> >> first time and was in awe of the complexity of the cockpit with so
>> >> many
>> >> electronic gizzies. I've never driven a V8, or even sat in one for
> that
>> >> matter, but I'm aware of the loyal following they have.
>> >>
>> >> It looks like I could buy a first generation A8 (D2) for somewhere in
> the
>> >> neighborhood of $10K but it would be a ten year old car with 100K
>> >> miles
> on
>> >> it, so I would need to anticipate repairs from the start. I don't
>> >> want
> to
>> >> spend a whole lot more than $10 K on a car, but could go higher if I
> felt it
>> >> was worth it.
>> >>
>> >> I'd actually like to have an avant, but choices are limited. A 2002-3
> S6
>> >> avant would be very nice :-) Maybe I should consider an A6 avant.
>> >>
>> >> Considering that I like to keep my cars for a long time and do my own
>> >> maintenance, would I be better off with the more familiar technology
>> >> of
> the
>> >> V8 or an URS4/6? I think there would be a benefit to getting
>> >> something
> ten
>> >> years newer than that (A8) but it would still be a 10 year old car.
> Another
>> >> upside re: the A8 is that there are a >lot< more of them available to
> choose
>> >> from. Most of the V8's and URS4's are pretty beat by now... clean
>> >> low-mileage examples are quite scarce.
>> >>
>> >> So ... should look for a clean V8 or URS4?
>> >>
>> >> Or should I look at something much newer and try to adapt to 21st
> century
>> >> automotive technology?
>> >>
>> >> Decisions, decisions.
>> >> - -
>> >> David Conner
>> >> Columbus, OH
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> S-CAR-List mailing list
>> >> http://audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/s-car-list
>> >> http://www.audifans.com/kb/List_information
>> >>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:14:38 -0500
> From: Ingo Rautenberg <ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [V8] [s-cars] V8 vs A8 now 3.0 V6
> To: "Brian K. Ullrich" <bullrich at ullrichsys.com>
> Cc: v8newlist <V8 at audifans.com>
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>
> No, Scott's correct. I think they only had that engine for a short period
> of
> time. It is a POS. Very expensive to service compared with other Audi V6
> motors iirc.
>
> On Feb 24, 2010 10:06 PM, "Brian K. Ullrich" <bullrich at ullrichsys.com>
> wrote:
>
> OOOO...controversy... :-)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott DeWitt [mailto:sdewitt at stx.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, Februar...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:28:19 -0500
> From: Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [V8] [s-cars] V8 vs A8 now 3.0 V6
> To: v8newlist <V8 at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <4B85EE53.40109 at bellsouth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> To be fair to Scott, Oz's car was likely a 2.8, which is what I'm
> thinking of. The rest of my rant still stands...
>
> Dave Head wrote:
>> I know Osman Parvez ran his mom's car (100S) right alongside S4s and
>> tweaked turbo quattros all the way from St Louis to Pikes Peak on an
>> enormous high speed run several years back. (that was the year 'someone'
>> in California picked up a maroon 5 speed V8...).
>>
>> My general dissatisfaction with Audi centers on their 4 and 5HP24
>> transmissions which were no damn better than the old VW 3 speeds in my
>> 79 5000S. Just more expensive to fix. I could pop the whole transaxle
>> out of a 5000S in about 90 minutes flat. In a pinch I could take off the
>> 4 nuts holding the trans section on the back and just swap it out,
>> praying I got the 18" long pump drive in right...
>>
>> That's why I never bought an S8... There's a grand business rebuilding
>> A8/S8 transmissions going on on Audiworld.
>> I can get a bulletproof 4L60E for under 1800 bucks no shipping or core
>> charge. It will hold 500 hp and last forever...
>>
>> I never thought I would get here, but I've gotten tired of wrenching on
>> cars after the heart attack - and I have yet to own an Audi that didn't
>> have 5 things that needed fixing.
>>
>> In comparison, my Jetta TDI never had to go to the dealer for a thing in
>> 70K miles other than a timing belt. I changed oil and filters and that
>> was it. In almost 6 years of ownership I had to replace a battery. That
>> was it. I put tires on it before I traded it and had the recalls done.
>>
>> In two years the wifes 03 Deville has had oil and filter changes and the
>> tires rotated. That is IT. It knocks down 19 mpg city driven
>> judiciously, sips a quart of oil evers 1800 miles and gives me 25 mpg
>> hwy with a Northstar V8. And if you want it to move, it will. Maybe it
>> doesn't have the grip and suspension of a V8 quattro, but its also not
>> 50 and 100 dollaring me to death every time I've turned around.
>>
>> The 5 speed has been very reliable - likely because Dave C. pampered it
>> to death and I've barely put 2.5K on it including the drive down from PA.
>>
>> Dave Head
>> Audiless tomorrow for the first time since 95.
>> 91 V8 5speed
>> 90 V8q red
>> 92 V8q green
>> 90 V8q lago
>> 90 200q pearl
>> 87 5000TQ brown
>> 79 5000S - the one that started it all!
>>
>>
>> Scott DeWitt wrote:
>>> The 3.0 gas engine is a piece of shit, probably the worst engine Audi
>>> has made. The cam sprocket bolts tend to loosen over time resulting in
>>> total engine destruction.
>>>
>>> ---- Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>> The 3.0 is a rock solid engine, and you can put a supercharger on it
>>>> if you want more pep...
>>>>
>>>> Brian Armstead wrote:
>>>>> As an aside from this thread, does anyone know the reliability or
>>>>> any issues with the 3.0 V6? I'm looking at a 2003 A6 Avant with
>>>>> one. I like the pep, but don't want a leaking nightmare. Any other
>>>>> a6 Avant advice? Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>> 93 S4
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave C wrote:
>>>>>> Howdy Q-heads,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My fleet of Audi's consists of two 1987 type 44's. I bought one of
>>>>>> them in
>>>>>> 1992, and have been driving and maintaining these things for a very
>>>>>> long
>>>>>> time, doing all my own maintenance and know them inside and out.
>>>>>> But they
>>>>>> are getting on in years and I find myself considering replacement
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> something newer. The question is "how much newer?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm nervous about not understanding how a car works and maybe being
>>>>>> unable
>>>>>> to repair it when things go wrong, etc. I recently drove a 2007 A8
>>>>>> for the
>>>>>> first time and was in awe of the complexity of the cockpit with so
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> electronic gizzies. I've never driven a V8, or even sat in one for
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> matter, but I'm aware of the loyal following they have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like I could buy a first generation A8 (D2) for somewhere
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> neighborhood of $10K but it would be a ten year old car with 100K
>>>>>> miles on
>>>>>> it, so I would need to anticipate repairs from the start. I don't
>>>>>> want to
>>>>>> spend a whole lot more than $10 K on a car, but could go higher if
>>>>>> I felt it
>>>>>> was worth it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd actually like to have an avant, but choices are limited. A
>>>>>> 2002-3 S6
>>>>>> avant would be very nice :-) Maybe I should consider an A6 avant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering that I like to keep my cars for a long time and do my own
>>>>>> maintenance, would I be better off with the more familiar
>>>>>> technology of the
>>>>>> V8 or an URS4/6? I think there would be a benefit to getting
>>>>>> something ten
>>>>>> years newer than that (A8) but it would still be a 10 year old
>>>>>> car. Another
>>>>>> upside re: the A8 is that there are a >lot< more of them available
>>>>>> to choose
>>>>>> from. Most of the V8's and URS4's are pretty beat by now... clean
>>>>>> low-mileage examples are quite scarce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So ... should look for a clean V8 or URS4?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or should I look at something much newer and try to adapt to 21st
>>>>>> century
>>>>>> automotive technology?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Decisions, decisions.
>>>>>> - -
>>>>>> David Conner
>>>>>> Columbus, OH
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> S-CAR-List mailing list
>>>>>> http://audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/s-car-list
>>>>>> http://www.audifans.com/kb/List_information
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 3:44:08 +0000
> From: Scott DeWitt <sdewitt at stx.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [V8] [s-cars] V8 vs A8 now 3.0 V6
> To: Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net>, v8newlist <V8 at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <20100225034408.PWU8W.292011.root at hrndva-web21-z01>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> The 2.8 in both 12 and 30V are pretty reliable with no real glaring issues
> other than typical maintenance items.
>
> The 3.0 liter however suffers many ailments, mostly top end issues. Many
> of the parts are also unique to that engine and very expensive. I wouldn't
> let that dissuade a purchasing decision, as many of the issues can be
> corrected at a timing belt change interval.
>
> Yes a PES surpcharger is available for the 3.0 liter however many early
> PES owners have had issues with pre-detonation due to a substandard
> programming on the computer and has resulted in more than a few documented
> 3 liters windowing a piston or two. I hope that PES has corrected the
> issue by now.
>
> Audi nor ZF have never been renowned for their automatic transmissions,
> perhaps this is why Audi switched to Aisin to supply their automatic
> gearboxes.
>
> ZF is experiencing similar issues with their DSG transmissions. Perhaps
> the DSG will become the next 5HP24 and continue to enrich the automatic
> transmission rebuilders.
>
> I've ranted enough FWIW and YMMV of course!
>
> Tootles
>
> ---- Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> To be fair to Scott, Oz's car was likely a 2.8, which is what I'm
>> thinking of. The rest of my rant still stands...
>>
>> Dave Head wrote:
>> > I know Osman Parvez ran his mom's car (100S) right alongside S4s and
>> > tweaked turbo quattros all the way from St Louis to Pikes Peak on an
>> > enormous high speed run several years back. (that was the year
>> > 'someone'
>> > in California picked up a maroon 5 speed V8...).
>> >
>> > My general dissatisfaction with Audi centers on their 4 and 5HP24
>> > transmissions which were no damn better than the old VW 3 speeds in my
>> > 79 5000S. Just more expensive to fix. I could pop the whole transaxle
>> > out of a 5000S in about 90 minutes flat. In a pinch I could take off
>> > the
>> > 4 nuts holding the trans section on the back and just swap it out,
>> > praying I got the 18" long pump drive in right...
>> >
>> > That's why I never bought an S8... There's a grand business rebuilding
>> > A8/S8 transmissions going on on Audiworld.
>> > I can get a bulletproof 4L60E for under 1800 bucks no shipping or core
>> > charge. It will hold 500 hp and last forever...
>> >
>> > I never thought I would get here, but I've gotten tired of wrenching on
>> > cars after the heart attack - and I have yet to own an Audi that didn't
>> > have 5 things that needed fixing.
>> >
>> > In comparison, my Jetta TDI never had to go to the dealer for a thing
>> > in
>> > 70K miles other than a timing belt. I changed oil and filters and that
>> > was it. In almost 6 years of ownership I had to replace a battery. That
>> > was it. I put tires on it before I traded it and had the recalls done.
>> >
>> > In two years the wifes 03 Deville has had oil and filter changes and
>> > the
>> > tires rotated. That is IT. It knocks down 19 mpg city driven
>> > judiciously, sips a quart of oil evers 1800 miles and gives me 25 mpg
>> > hwy with a Northstar V8. And if you want it to move, it will. Maybe it
>> > doesn't have the grip and suspension of a V8 quattro, but its also not
>> > 50 and 100 dollaring me to death every time I've turned around.
>> >
>> > The 5 speed has been very reliable - likely because Dave C. pampered it
>> > to death and I've barely put 2.5K on it including the drive down from
>> > PA.
>> >
>> > Dave Head
>> > Audiless tomorrow for the first time since 95.
>> > 91 V8 5speed
>> > 90 V8q red
>> > 92 V8q green
>> > 90 V8q lago
>> > 90 200q pearl
>> > 87 5000TQ brown
>> > 79 5000S - the one that started it all!
>> >
>> >
>> > Scott DeWitt wrote:
>> >> The 3.0 gas engine is a piece of shit, probably the worst engine Audi
>> >> has made. The cam sprocket bolts tend to loosen over time resulting in
>> >> total engine destruction.
>> >>
>> >> ---- Dave Head <v8q at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >>> The 3.0 is a rock solid engine, and you can put a supercharger on it
>> >>> if you want more pep...
>> >>>
>> >>> Brian Armstead wrote:
>> >>>> As an aside from this thread, does anyone know the reliability or
>> >>>> any issues with the 3.0 V6? I'm looking at a 2003 A6 Avant with
>> >>>> one. I like the pep, but don't want a leaking nightmare. Any other
>> >>>> a6 Avant advice? Thanks!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Brian
>> >>>> 93 S4
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dave C wrote:
>> >>>>> Howdy Q-heads,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> My fleet of Audi's consists of two 1987 type 44's. I bought one of
>> >>>>> them in
>> >>>>> 1992, and have been driving and maintaining these things for a very
>> >>>>> long
>> >>>>> time, doing all my own maintenance and know them inside and out.
>> >>>>> But they
>> >>>>> are getting on in years and I find myself considering replacement
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> something newer. The question is "how much newer?"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm nervous about not understanding how a car works and maybe being
>> >>>>> unable
>> >>>>> to repair it when things go wrong, etc. I recently drove a 2007 A8
>> >>>>> for the
>> >>>>> first time and was in awe of the complexity of the cockpit with so
>> >>>>> many
>> >>>>> electronic gizzies. I've never driven a V8, or even sat in one for
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>> matter, but I'm aware of the loyal following they have.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It looks like I could buy a first generation A8 (D2) for somewhere
>> >>>>> in the
>> >>>>> neighborhood of $10K but it would be a ten year old car with 100K
>> >>>>> miles on
>> >>>>> it, so I would need to anticipate repairs from the start. I don't
>> >>>>> want to
>> >>>>> spend a whole lot more than $10 K on a car, but could go higher if
>> >>>>> I felt it
>> >>>>> was worth it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'd actually like to have an avant, but choices are limited. A
>> >>>>> 2002-3 S6
>> >>>>> avant would be very nice :-) Maybe I should consider an A6 avant.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Considering that I like to keep my cars for a long time and do my
>> >>>>> own
>> >>>>> maintenance, would I be better off with the more familiar
>> >>>>> technology of the
>> >>>>> V8 or an URS4/6? I think there would be a benefit to getting
>> >>>>> something ten
>> >>>>> years newer than that (A8) but it would still be a 10 year old
>> >>>>> car. Another
>> >>>>> upside re: the A8 is that there are a >lot< more of them available
>> >>>>> to choose
>> >>>>> from. Most of the V8's and URS4's are pretty beat by now... clean
>> >>>>> low-mileage examples are quite scarce.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So ... should look for a clean V8 or URS4?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Or should I look at something much newer and try to adapt to 21st
>> >>>>> century
>> >>>>> automotive technology?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Decisions, decisions.
>> >>>>> - -
>> >>>>> David Conner
>> >>>>> Columbus, OH
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