[V8] tire musings

Ed Kellock ekellock at gmail.com
Tue Jul 20 13:03:19 PDT 2010 

There is a correlation, but I don't believe it is directly relative.

They were using the dumb standard.  Not you, their's, well, maybe you
too.... condescending to you.

But they're wrong basically.  The load rating is not the speed rating.

The load rating is a function of the gross vehicle weight rating of the
vehicle. 

The speed rating is the speed the tire is expected to stay intact at that
speed for one hour.

You know how fast you want to drive and if you want to put a lower speed
rating on your car, that is your choice.  The load rating is probably a more
important and relative rating as you may well load your car to the hilt and
go on the highway at some point.  You most likely will not go out and try to
do 130 for an hour.

Ed
 


-----Original Message-----
From: v8-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:v8-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of
Seamus O'Carey
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:29 PM
To: v8
Subject: Re: [V8] tire musings


What about the load rating?  I went to Costco just last week and they
couldn't even give me a quote.  They said the V8 comes stock with a V rated
tire and they don't carry any V rated in our stock size and their corporate
policy is to not go lower than stock on the load rating.

Seamus

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Ed Kellock <ekellock at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been happy with the two sets of Kumhos I've had as well.  I would
> choose the Generals simply due to the lighter weight, though the 
> Kumhos are typically closer in weight to Generals than Bridgestones or 
> Goodyears.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ron_01056 at yahoo.com [mailto:ron_01056 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:11 AM
> To: Ed Kellock
> Cc: v8 at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [V8] tire musings
>
>
> For the money i'll stick with Kuhmo's in the Summer and Nokians in the
> Winter.
>
>  Ron
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Ed Kellock" <ekellock at gmail.com>
> Sender: v8-bounces at audifans.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:08:04
> To: 'Bryan Kamerer'<kamerer at gmail.com>; 'Roger
> Woodbury'<rmwoodbury at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: <v8 at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [V8] tire musings
>
> My hands down next choice for a new set of tires will be Generals.  I
> think the Altimax would suit your conditions perfectly.  There's a 
> higher performance version that I might try as well.  I sort of helped 
> another V8 lister choose those for his V8 and he's happy, eh 
> Superdave?
>
> The Generals first caught my attention because they are shown to be
> considerably lighter than most anything else at Tire Rack.  I have 
> watched the tire reviews pretty closely over the last 1-2 years and 
> they seem to be very favorably regarded, on the whole, taking into 
> consideration the almost complete lack of any real reliable wisdom... 
> you kind of have to distill each review, taking into consideration all 
> the info available and make your best guess what the real situation 
> is.
>
> I noticed Fusion were crap very early... heavy and lots of poor
> reviews at TR.  If you read enough of them you can glean a fairly 
> reliable opinion of a tire.
>
> I have had Michelins and was very impressed, but also not inclined to
> pony up for them.
>
> As for wheels... the stock wheel for your Avant is 15x7 with a 45ET
> offset wearing 195/65-15 tires.  An urS6 Avus wheel is 16x7.5 ET37.  
> With a 205/55-16 tire, you should see no speedo error.  The General 
> Altimax RT is a standard touring all-season tire and is available in 
> that size.  TR shows that the max rim width for this size tire is 7.5.  
> Even the load rating is the same as stock (91).  The only measurable 
> difference in tire/wheel dimension will be a function of the offset 
> which will cause each corner to be pushed outboard by 1/2 and inch 
> which will widen the tire track by an inch.
>
> I'd say go for it.  I have two sets of urS6 Avus wheels and like them
> very much.  They're not quite as light as the previous 5-spoke urS4 
> wheels, and some say the urS6 Avus are more prone to bending, but I 
> haven't had an issue yet.  I have a set on the black V8, with 10mm 
> spacers and it looks great. On
> my 91 Avant, they are perfect as is.  I have some old Kumhos on them but
> when I do re-tire for the Avant, I will get the Generals.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: v8-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:v8-bounces at audifans.com] On
> Behalf Of Bryan Kamerer
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 6:09 AM
> To: Roger Woodbury
> Cc: v8 at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [V8] tire musings
>
>
> Roger,
>
> I do not think the wheels are a problem.
>
> 1) I guess you are talking about the Avus 16" since you say "+1".
> Some S6s then came with the 15" five-spoke alloy, same as is probably 
> OEM on your CS.
>
> 2) +1 doesn't matter, because you will use a lower profile tire to
> match the OD.  It's the width you are concerned about.  I don't think 
> that will matter.  It's only 1/2" overall (thus 1/4" on either side of 
> centerline).
>
> 3) Yes, the '95 S6 did have nicely flared fender arches, but I don't
> think much more than the 100CS.
>
> The Avus 16" is only 1/2" wider overall vs that 15" you have - I have
> had a set of the Avus wheels for a long time; I have used them since 
> about '99 as a my snow wheels on my V8.  I use some late '90s A8 
> alloys as my "summer" wheels.  I think the Avus wheels are sharp, too.  
> But I do think they look better on the S6 or a 100CS than on a V8, 
> though, in all honesty.  I saw a photo of a 92 100csq running the A8 
> alloys, and they fit inside the fender wells just fine.  So if it will 
> run them then the Avus are no different; I know as I have both.  I 
> think the offset is 3mm different between the two, but not enough to 
> matter.
>
> As to tires I have little advice other than check out some General
> tires for good value.  I did a ton of homework last year for new tires 
> for the Land Cruiser, and lots of people said you got a lot of bang 
> for your buck from them, especially vs. the Japanese and Euro brands.  
> I heard this from multiple car-guys whose opinion I respected.
>
> Bryan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:21 AM, Roger Woodbury
> <rmwoodbury at roadrunner.com>wrote:
>
> > Alas it is about tire time, and sooner rather than later I must
> > replace the horrid Fusion tires that I put on my wife's 100CS thirty 
> > thousand or so miles ago.  Tread depth is really shy on the rears 
> > and the fronts aren't great.  They will not pass state inspection in 
> > October, I know.
> >
> > I am having a flirtation with a set of '95 S6 wheels and tires,
> > used. The wheels look very pretty in the pics, but the wheel/tire 
> > size is a plus one for the '94 100CS Avant we have.
> >
> > Any comment about whether these would be a direct fitment, or will I
> > have clearance problems with tire width?  I cannot for the life of 
> > me remember whether or not the S6 had slightly flared fenders in 
> > '95.
> >
> > The cheapest deal in town is Super Walmart. Right now they mount and
> > balance free, and will meet any price from anywhere if you bring it 
> > in, in writing. I am in the process of choosing tires, and am 
> > reading the tire ratings, particularly noise levels with feverish 
> > frenzy.  The Fusions have been sort of OK.  They provided decent 
> > service and value for the price, which was cheap, and have worn OK 
> > on the heavy Audi. But NOISE?  OMG:  can you say LOUD?
> >
> > What is the current opinion about the "hot hand" in tires?  The
> > choice will need to be a decent, quiet, all season standard duty or 
> > touring radial. Would love to put Michelins on this car, but they 
> > are probably going to be simply too much money.  The car came with a 
> > set of Michelins that had about ten thousand on them or so, (39,000 
> > miles at original purchase date).
> >
> > Then I bought a set of Dunlop D40's (?) on the Fuchs rims that the
> > car is on now, because I had one OEM wheel that had a cracked rim.  
> > Those tires had some miles on them as the wheels were used.  Worked 
> > great and the wheels are MUCH lighter than the OEM star wheels, 
> > whatever those are/were.
> >
> > Then the Fusions that really, really suck in terms of road noise.
> > The guy at Tire Rack warned me that these were "Bridgestones on a 
> > budget", and he wasn't kidding.  If we were doing any really long 
> > distance driving in this car, they would have had to be sacrificed a 
> > long time ago.  One thing most Audis are is pretty quiet from 
> > underneath if the tires are any good. Anyway, we're at the end of 
> > the road with these, and now, something better.
> >
> > So as usually, to break the monotony of a Tuesday morning, I am
> > poling the brain trust.
> >
> > Roger
> >
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