[V8] Hybrid Q5 or Q7 Diesels on the other side ...

[Etdmail at cs.com]

Hi all -


Should have included the sources in my TDI comparisons.

I had culled the information quickly from Edmunds and had 
not drilled down into any more detail than they presented .. 
Which, did not show any major differences. Also, these
offerings do tend to change a bit from year to tear..

Scott, good your delta was much more favorable than
I had outlined. Option bundling is often a factor for sure 
and to get the one you really want, you often need to 
buy the others as well ... 

For example Ford shows (a retail) price for 
their big, Super-duty diesel truck engines 
north of $7,300 and shows it will include 
a more robust transmission with no optout.

Yes, length of service and lots of miles, will
be the only way to quantify a diesel purchase
on a personal level at the current manufactures'
and oil company price premiums where ever the 
local markets will bear them...

Luckily with diesels they will run on peanuts!


Best,

~Ed
(Cambridge)



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In a message dated 8/5/2011 11:46:09 AM EDT
scott_matus at yahoo.com writes: 


Ed - 


You are not comparing Apples to Apples. 

VW will up content the TDI models. So, you need 
to compare a similarly contented Jetta and options 
against the Base Jetta TDI. 

When I purchased my Jetta the delta was about $2500. 
I keep my vehicles well over 100K Miles, so I spread out 
the costs.

Double check those calulations,


Scott.
Too many Vag Vahicles


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:39:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Etdmail at cs.com
To: tonyandlillie1 at earthlink.net, ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com,
diemarthadie at aol.com
Cc: v8 at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [V8] Hybrid Q5 or Q7 Diesels on the other side ...


Hi All ...

Hopefully, to add some additional clarity...

I can report our diesel fueling experiences here in the Northeast 
more closely match those in Tony's area and John's in Baltimore.

Being more expensive and distribution away from major arteries
spotty. In MA we also have various bio-diesel mandates, which 
along with the cleaner diesel engine technology and no idle
laws, improve the air-quality in the area measurably.

Also here in the Northeast the cost of a clean used TDI or pickup
can be considerably more than its gasoline powered counter-part.

I was prompted to check out the price disparity on a new VW TDI.
Found a base 2011 Volkswagen Jetta 2.0 L automatic lists out at
a MSRP of $15,365 with EPA figures of up to 24 cty/34 hwy mpg.
Pretty decent new car buy over-all, I think, but I'd likely look over
in the Ford camp, for more MGP.

Same page list the 2001 Volkswagen Jetta 2.0 L TDI automatic
with a MSRP from $22,995 and EPA estimates to 30 cty/42 hwy.

Some quick pencil work gives an MSRP increase of 49.66% and 
an EPA estimated MPG increase of 25% city/23.53% hwy. So
one way to look at it, is paying twice the % increase up front !
Or $7,630.00 US + tax + diesel cost premiums that apply - that 
can be a lot of miles to a break-even.. Is it justifiable?

The true carbon foot-print costs are beyond my penciling though.
If your local premium disparity is less, you are indeed, lucky!

It will be interesting, to see if we will all have to pay more, down
the road, for the newer more efficient cars under increasing EPA
mandates.. Likely, I think, that is until the Chinese cars hit the 
markets here, like they have been in Brazil- Once, they hit the 
necessary critical mass to pass the US safety and compliance
hurdles.

Hope everyone is having a great summer!

Best,

~Ed
(Cambridge)

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