[V8] gearbox swap questions

Scott DeWitt scotty at advancedautomotion.com
Sat May 25 13:54:24 PDT 2013


In the C5 a 6 speed conversion will yield approx 20-25hp additional on the
dyno and 2-3 mpg on gas 6 speed ratios and 5-8mpg using diesel trans
ratios.

Automatic are becoming commonplace in most new cars not because they are
more efficient than a manual but rather people are lazy and manufacturers
have much more control over engine operation, emissions, and warranty
issues if a computer is shifting gears versus the driver.

There is a stand alone controller for ZF boxes but to be honest if the OP
runs the numbers he will never recoup the money spent with fuel savings.
The 3.6 V8 in a 4000+ pound car is not intended and never was to be king
in fuel efficiency.

On Fri, May 24, 2013 10:56 pm, Professor GT gmail wrote:
> Oh boy, here we go!
>
> First off, ALL manufacturers these days are using communication links like
> CAN BUS, to tie EVERYTHING together. The VW Phaeton (a real fart in
> church) had something like 60 control units all talking to each other over
> CAN.
> There are many benefits, and I can go on for quite some time about this
> (my J1939 datalink presentation is over 140 slides), but the drawbacks are
> mainly centered around Servicability issues.
>
> So, the point, forgetting about any possible hardware issues, is the lack
> of flexibility with respect to vehicle integration, or installing and then
> properly controlling that trans in a vehicle it was not designed for. That
> said, anything is possible, but practicality has to enter into the
> equation also. Bottom line, not worth it!
>
> Secondly, on the automatic versus stick debate: there is NO compelling
> reason to switch from an auto to a manual Trans, other than if you enjoy
> playing with a clutch pedal and a shifter, PERIOD!
>
> Better fuel economy with a manual?
> NOT!
> Maybe years ago, but with today's electronic controls, automatics are far
> superior.
>
> Vehicle Control? See previous response!
>
> Pulling power? That thing called a torque converter kicks a clutches ass
> hands down every time! See previous response!
>
> Driver Comfort, and ease of operation?
> Do I even need to ask?
>
> And with all this in mind, when applied to larger vehicles the case is
> even more compelling for automatics! Any trucker who buys a new vehicle
> with a stick is just kidding himself! The ONLY reason a trucker would
> prefer a stick is because of the Neanderthal effect. It has been proven
> over and over, beyond a shadow of a doubt that an Allison automatic is far
> superior to any manual or automated manual ever created.
>
> Okay, now that I got that off my chest and put those facts out there,
> before you call me a hypocrite, let me say that I have my V8 5-speed for
> the novelty and rarity factors, coupled with the fact that its just fun to
> drive! That is at least until I hit traffic!
> Having an original factory V8 5-speed is cool, and to the automotive
> purist represents the best that the Europeans had to offer in its class,
> at the time.
> I spite of the traffic I have not grown tired of it, and view it as a
> blessing for the long weekend commutes I've been doing since last
> Fall...........but an automatic is in the wings to replace my 5-speed as a
> daily driver so I can save the stick for special occasions!
>
> Now I feel much better that my rant is done! LOL
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> ProfessorGT
> (Sent from my iPhone4)
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