[V8] 4.2 Oil capacity

Tue Oct 14 11:00:10 PDT 2014

Brandon,

The sticking filter o-ring is the result of not having lubed the top of the o-ring when the removed filter was previously installed. 
By coating the new filter' o-ring with clean oil it prevents the ring from adhering to the block when removed. This is automotive 101, but as you witnessed, it happens quite often when untrained DIYers have at it.

Years ago when I represented Fo Mo Co, I had to render a decision on an engine replacement (4.9L Straight Six) due to oil loss and subsequent engine failure. The filter was still in place, but the engine's oil was blown out because in addition to the o-ring on the filter, there were two, yes two additional o-rings in place!
The dealer left it untouched so I could take pictures (I have them somewhere in my archives).
Normally I would have offered to help, but this particular customer made two critical mistakes, other than the obvious faux pax with the filter gaskets:
1) he kept driving the truck after having lost all it's oil, thereby destroying the engine
2) he was a super arrogant $/@"#+%, who was going to tell me in no uncertain terms what I was going to do for him! Had he fessed up, and asked for my help, a stroke of the pen would have gotten him a new engine, but instead he went off, with total disrespect. I let him dump his bucket in the hope that he would come around, and come clean, but he turned it into a personal attack. He summed it all up by saying something to the effect that: "You _ _ _ holes at Ford don't stand behind your products!" , claiming all the time that he did nothing wrong and it was just a piece of crap product. At that point I decided that based upon his indignance  and total lack of responsibility that it would be a poor investment on behalf of Ford to buy him a new engine. (He wanted it all or nothing and would not contribute one penny to the deal.)
I therefore walked around the back of the truck and said: I am standing behind our product, but unfortunately in this case there was nothing further I could do to assist him.
He was a super arrogant red-neck, and at the time, Ford's dress code was that all reps must wear a dark suit. I remember him making se reference to me being a snot-nosed kid from NEW YORK (exclaimed with a heavy southern drawl), so in effect this guy screwed himself out of a nearly free engine. I was willing to buy him a new engine if he paid the dealer to install it, but like I said he wanted it all or nothin', as he said.
What an idiot! Some folks just don't get it.
Anyway, I hope you found this true story to be a bit entertaining, ................ And I know based upon experience the double o-ring deal will never happen to you again.

Hey, no one"a perfect! I remember pouring 3/4 of a gallon of M1 on the ground because I was interrupted in the middle of an oil change, and thereby forgot to reinstall the drain plug before adding oil! Doh! What a mess - the drain pan overflowed!

Thanks,

ProfessorGT
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> On Oct 14, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Brandon Hoag <qu4ttro87 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I put in 16 quarts. Only 8 of them stayed in the engine. The other 8 were
> promptly spit on my driveway when I started her up..... Because the old
> filter seal stated behind. Much swearing and heavy clean up ensued. Good
> thing it was only $1.29 a quart!  The surging is gone and she blinks a nice
> 4444 now that the oxygen sensor is replaced. Only thing left is wires. I'm
> pleased.
>> On Oct 14, 2014 5:18 AM, "Scott Justusson" <qshipq at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Going back to my old shop days....  There was a TSB issued by Audi on the
>> fill capacity of the v8 engine.  The 'revised' oil change specifications
>> went from 10 quarts to 8 quarts (top of the dipstick to the bottom).  The
>> reason for this was excessive oil consumption complaints when the 'full
>> mark' was used as reference for fill.  Back when I had many just out of
>> warrantee v8 under my supervision, I attributed this consumption to one of
>> the *worst* (if not the) PCV system designs in the v8 engine.   My
>> observations (interestingly enough Ingo, with the PO of your first 5speed
>> v8) indicated that sump sloshing would partially block the sump chamber,
>> which would cause excess vacuum at the back of the DS head, literally
>> sucking oil into the intake system.  The revised fill level reduced the
>> amount of sump blockage enough so that oil consumption 'appeared' to
>> decrease.  Best put - stabilized.
>> 
>> Also worthy of note, Audi considered 600miles per quart oil consumption
>> within factory specification.  One might consider that excessive, but I am
>> convinced they are right, because the PCV system is a faulty design that
>> would make that consumption normal.
>> 
>> IME with oil weights, any flavor/weights of synthetics will work fine.
>> Back when the v8 was produced it was designed to be a dyno oil engine.
>> Which means the increased temp range of synthetics means find which one is
>> on sale?  Worthy of note, the diesel synthetics tend to have the higher
>> zinc content than the automotive versions.
>> 
>> HTH and my .02
>> 
>> Scott Justusson
>> 91 v8 Auto
>> 92 v8 Auto
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ingo Rautenberg <ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com>
>> To: Brandon Hoag <qu4ttro87 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: q - V8 <v8 at audifans.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 7:27 pm
>> Subject: Re: [V8] 4.2 Oil capacity
>> 
>> The confusion (as I recall) lies in the fact that the initial quart
>> capacity includes the oil that's in the rather substantial oil cooler below
>> the radiator.
>> 
>> Ingo
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Brandon Hoag <qu4ttro87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fleet Farm has M1 on sale for $6.xx right now. I almost got that... But
>>> then I saw the Citgo for $1.29. I'll go stock up on the M1 since everything
>>> else in my fleet gets that. I was going to get some pictures taken on
>>> Sunday night after I washed and waxed it, but it gets dark do damn early
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