[V8] why I love Audi

[Dave Saad]

I know all about the corn lobby.... I am soon tired of living in a country surrounded by not just low information voters, but voters who in fact demand to be lied to. For example I hear the voters in Kentucky just learned that the evil hated Obama Care (that they want to repeal and replace) turns out to be the Affordable Care Act (that they all like and want to keep. We get the government we deserve I guess.

On the bright side, I stopped in to talk to my friends at S-Car-Go - the local Audi shop and they just happened to have a 2.7L motor from a wrecked car sitting on the floor. They very graciously offered to give the injectors to me. So, for the moment I have the 2.8L injectors in there and I repaired the leaking fuel line (very common they say) with two spring clamps. I also put in a different (used) pressure regulator just because. I will drive it around for a while like this and if the injectors don't start leaking I will put in the correct ones.

And, as I said, I contacted AOA about this and they called me back today. The guy I talked to clearly was trying to provide me with some excellent customer service, which I appreciated. All AOA would do though is have me take the car to a dealer, have me pay them to tell me that the injectors and fuel line were all leaking, and then AOA would almost certainly say "this is a 14 year old car... see you later". So I declined the offer. I was hoping they would perhaps be a little proactive and maybe even spend a nickel or two to make a long time customer and enthusiast happy. Guess I need to buy a Honda for that kind of treatment.

Anyway thanks for hearing me out. I do miss having my V8 just for the people on this list!

Dave



> On Dec 4, 2016, at 10:32 PM, toml99 at todomundo.com wrote:
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> Yikes...sorry to hear that Dave.  I'm however leaning on the premise that AOA has, and still does, source some crappy rubber, whether that's on purpose or not(the x-files guy in me thinks they did it on purpose as the original fuel hoses on the old 84 Ford truck that was given away yeeears ago are still intact, as are many other makes of vehicles running whatever you can throw in the tank.   '86 Saab still has original hoses and is still on the road/with its steering hoses.  None of them command the prices AOA have commanded for tiny bits of rubber that should have been dollars, but were 400% from anything anyone had seen.  It was about the time of 10% common ethanol correct?  The ethanol fuel certainly eats rubber/pulls water into fuel, and in my mind is simply just a bad idea.....It's been going on so long that the corn lobby/subsidies have made them push for 15%......ouch.   If you live in the cornbelt/or just think the ethanol thing is a dinosaur that it is, feel free to vote if you're given a chance.   Look into what it takes per square acre to produce corn and you'll get it if you don't already.  CANT DO IT WITHOUT GOV. SUBSIDIES.   Guy's with 115 gallon boat tanks will thank you.  If it weren't $1 more per gallon here at the stations, I'd run it in everything.  I've put ethanol free 90(cant get e-free premium here) in both cars when I know they're gonna sit for awhile with stabil marine treatment.  .  Lago had 1/2 a tank when it sat for 3 yrs, and the 5speed same deal...I also just filled a 5-gallon can(with treatment) and put that in 5-speed to freshen it up while it waits for me to do the heater core/fan. It also sat with e-free for 2-3 yrs and since I'm still not driving it, just wanted to freshen up the treated nonE fuel.   Almost all fuel docks in WA sell E-free fuel, and for whatever reason, is less than the stations locally ream people, so if its convienient, will use it in boat that has a 115 gallon non coated aluminum tank.  Water causes pinhole corrosion in the tanks and in my case, will require deck removal/cutting off deck to remove tank.  I've got a '91 200hp 2 stroke Yamaha with 3 -2bbl carbs and as such, it blows the little stuff right thru.....Modern 4 stroke FI motors have much less tolerance for water/corrosion/bits of crap and if I had that motor, I'd religiously use the fuel dock as many of my friends who've "upgraded" to a 4 stroke have had all kinds of problems with the e fuel.  I'm skirting the line between "gonna run great" and "need to replace 115 gallon tank", but have had no issues/wirecam shows no corrosion.
> Dave, non-ethanol didnt cause your problems.....just made them visable.   I got Lago from ex's dad who replaced his 2 '90 lago V8's with the 2 Allroads..../4.2 and 2.7T.......all i recall is one was 4.2(which he had to have at time) and turbo which I recall as 2.7.....I drove the turbo and loved it.  His comment a few years later were................and I quote.................."Seem to be spending way more on the allroads.....might get bit"......He ended up selling them both in 06/07 and went away......
> I love my cars, but tonight the fuel gauge went to zero and my IC squaked at me telling me  that I was out of fuel after putting 10 gallons of E-free in it.........HAAAAAAAA
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> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Dave Saad wrote:
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>> Really - what other car on the planet can be made into an un-driveable firebomb simply by changing gas stations?
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>> Yep - that seems to be what happened. I usually gas up my 2002 allroad at a station that supplies 10% ethanol fuel - nearly all gas stations here do. Recently (as in 1 and 1/2 tanks ago, I put in fuel with no ethanol. Then I had to leave the car outside for the night (garage door was broken) where it got down to the low 30's. Started it up the next morning, went back inside to get my coffee and by the time I got back, I could smell raw gas from 10 feet away.
>> I could see fuel all over two injectors, so assuming it was injector o-rings, I got new ones for all injectors and installed them Then ALL the injectors were leaking. At first I thought it was the new o-rings - but no. They are all leaking from the body of the injector. I put in a set of junk yard injectors from a 2.8L just to get back on the road while I sorted this problem out. All was well for the test drive. later that night we went out to a dinner party, and smelled raw gas again. This time the fuel line (rubber hose) is leaking at the fuel rail fitting. It is leaking out of the crimp. The hose is bad.
>> All I can figure is the alcohol from the normal gas I use has swelled all the rubber bits, and switching to the non-ethanol fuel caused all the rubber bits to shrink. It is simply not possible that 6 injectors and a fuel line all failed within 24 hours.
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>> Now for the obligatory V8 content - why do these cars have such trouble with fuel lines and o-rings? The same type of problems happened on my V8. The two fuel lines from the firewall to the engine failed, every coolant hose failed, various o-rings failed, power steering hosed failed, brake lines failed. Meanwhile my old 1983 Ranger still has some original stuff on it. My 2003 Explorer, which has more miles than the allroad, has never had a problem like this. I have never heard of anyone having problems like this unless they drive an Audi. This is potentially going to be a huge PITA as well as expense if everything from the tank to the engine has been ruined by switching gas stations. I am not happy right now...
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