[Vwdiesel] Total Seal rings
Nate Wall
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Mon Apr 29 10:33:42 EDT 2002
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Chris:
Be careful. How many miles are on the engine? Check the pistons and block =
for wear tolerances. May need to bore and get new pistons. I re-ringed and=
so far have gotten about 40,000 miles out of it. I just checked oil consu=
mption and its approching a quart in 400 miles or so. The bores and piston=
s were worn out when I replaced the rings. For about 20,000 miles oil cons=
umptiom was non-existent, but began to rapidly increase. I used a very non=
-expensive ($36) set of Grant piston rings. I've got 246,000 on the motor =
now, and am looking for a replacement.
--Nate
>>> "Mary Beth and Chris Geiser" <geiser at execpc.com> 04/29/02 06:48AM >>>
Loren and all,
I'm going to be re-ringing my '91 Jetta Ecodiesel when I pull
the head off (hopefully this weekend or next). Are total seal rings a
different type of ring, or a different company? I've seen them referred
to a few times, but not sure what they are...
I've also seen you and others mention replacing the intermediate
shaft bearing on these engines - is this something I should also do
while I have it apart? Is this a bearing just on the front end, or is
there one on the back end too? I haven't found too good a picture of it
yet in Bentley's.
Thanks,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: vwdiesel-admin at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-admin at vwfans.com] On
Behalf Of LBaird119 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 1:06 AM
To: vwdiesel at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Total Seal rings
In a message dated 4/27/2002 6:39:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
dieseltdi at earthlink.net writes:
> Do they require a special hone...a dingle
> ball instead of a bar hone? Is there a certain grit of stone that
must be
> used?
I prefer a solid stone hone instead of a dingle ball type. Most of
the
machinists I've asked do too unless you're just looking for a quick seat
to sell the engine. Grit is IMPORTANT shall we say. ;-) I have an off
the shelf Sears or KD tools 3 stone hone. I don't remember which it is
but it's perfect. The surface you end up with should be just a tad more
coarse than the "brushed" surface many 3 1/2 floppy disks have on the
sliding metal part. If you have access to a profilometer, you want a
25 to 30 RA. If you find a grit listed for the stones on a hone, it's
220
to 280. If you use a dingle ball hone you want 180 to 220 grit. If you
have a shop hone it then they should use a Sunnen JHO 520 or 525
stone.
Also, I have found a local distributor (unfortunately he was closed
> today) but does anyone know the cost of these rings and can anyone
get them
> cheaper (Hey Loren!). Thanks, Hayden
My old price list has them at $172.50/$155.25/$138.00 Racer/Pro
Jobber/
Jobber. Racer is what anybody can buy them for. Pro Jobber is what I
or an "established business" can buy for. Jobber requires a 10 set
order
with a 2 set/month continuing purchase. 1-800-874-2753 They will
"Groove" your second rings for $8 each and an $8 setup fee. Like I
said this is an old, '99 price list.
Cylinders should only have a light wiped on amount of oil as well as
the skirts. NO OIL on the rings, in the groves, etc.
BTW, if you're not going with Raceware, I'll have a set of new head
bolts I accidentally ordered for an '81 engine. It's an 11mm not 12mm.
duh! <thwap>
Loren
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Chris:
Be careful. How many miles are on the engine? Check the pistons and block =
for
wear tolerances. May need to bore and get new pistons. I re-ringed and so =
far
have gotten about 40,000 miles out of it. I just checked oil consumption a=
nd
its approching a quart in 400 miles or so. The bores and pistons were worn
out when I replaced the rings. For about 20,000 miles oil consumptiom was
non-existent, but began to rapidly increase. I used a very non-expensive
($36) set of Grant piston rings. I've got 246,000 on the motor now, and am
looking for a replacement.
--Nate
>>> "Mary Beth and Chris Geiser" <geiser at execpc.com> 04/29/02 06:48AM >>>
Loren and all,
I'm going to be re-ringing my '91 Jetta Ecodiesel when I pull
the head off (hopefully this weekend or next). Are total seal rings a
different type of ring, or a different company? I've seen them referred
to a few times, but not sure what they are...
I've also seen you and others mention replacing the intermediate
shaft bearing on these engines - is this something I should also do
while I have it apart? Is this a bearing just on the front end, or is
there one on the back end too? I haven't found too good a picture of it
yet in Bentley's.
Thanks,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: vwdiesel-admin at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-admin at vwfans.com] On
Behalf Of LBaird119 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 1:06 AM
To: vwdiesel at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Total Seal rings
In a message dated 4/27/2002 6:39:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
dieseltdi at earthlink.net writes:
> Do they require a special hone...a dingle
> ball instead of a bar hone? Is there a certain grit of stone that
must be
> used?
I prefer a solid stone hone instead of a dingle ball type. Most of
the
machinists I've asked do too unless you're just looking for a quick seat
to sell the engine. Grit is IMPORTANT shall we say. ;-) I have an off
the shelf Sears or KD tools 3 stone hone. I don't remember which it is
but it's perfect. The surface you end up with should be just a tad more
coarse than the "brushed" surface many 3 1/2 floppy disks have on the
sliding metal part. If you have access to a profilometer, you want a
25 to 30 RA. If you find a grit listed for the stones on a hone, it's
220
to 280. If you use a dingle ball hone you want 180 to 220 grit. If you
have a shop hone it then they should use a Sunnen JHO 520 or 525
stone.
Also, I have found a local distributor (unfortunately he was closed
> today) but does anyone know the cost of these rings and can anyone
get them
> cheaper (Hey Loren!). Thanks, Hayden
My old price list has them at $172.50/$155.25/$138.00 Racer/Pro
Jobber/
Jobber. Racer is what anybody can buy them for. Pro Jobber is what I
or an "established business" can buy for. Jobber requires a 10 set
order
with a 2 set/month continuing purchase. 1-800-874-2753 They will
"Groove" your second rings for $8 each and an $8 setup fee. Like I
said this is an old, '99 price list.
Cylinders should only have a light wiped on amount of oil as well as
the skirts. NO OIL on the rings, in the groves, etc.
BTW, if you're not going with Raceware, I'll have a set of new head
bolts I accidentally ordered for an '81 engine. It's an 11mm not 12mm.
duh! <thwap>
Loren
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