[Vwdiesel] RE: [Audi-VW-Diesels] oil and filter request - Tha nks!

[Shirley, Mark R]

If you look at the Fram filter as a COMPARISON between other
manufacturers, you can plainly see that the FRAM is not of the
same build quality as the others.  There are comparison websites
out there where you can get this info.  I personally know at
least one person who lost a complete engine which was directly
tracable to the FRAM filter.  Fram even bought him an engine rebuild
as a result.  Take the personal experience, the actual photos you
can find, and testimonies of the people on this list and others,
you can start to draw patterns.  You may be able to use FRAM your
whole life and not have any problems.  Then  again, you might be
the 1 in 10000 that gets that bad filter and loses an engine.  The extra
dollar I spend on a quality filter is a small price to pay for my
peace of mind.  Not to mention the hassle I would have to go through if
I lost an engine due to a bad filter.  Unfortunately, with them being
so common and so cheap, many folks who don't know any better continue to
support this less than quality product.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerry Wolfe [mailto:gerry.wolfe at sympatico.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:39 PM
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] RE: [Audi-VW-Diesels] oil and filter request -
> Thanks!
>
>
> I'm sure it's really difficult to say what is the "best" oil
> or filter...
> to really prove the point you should subject the same
> vehicles to the exact
> same driving/weather/road conditions for hundreds of
> thousands of miles,
> with no other variables other than the oil or the filter or the
> whatever-is-being-evaluated.  Virtually impossible to do,
> unless you're
> running engines non-stop on a dyno etc.
>
> If (say) 1 in 10,000 Fram filters failed thru excessive oil
> pressures, than
> you have a pretty good chance of getting by without a failure
> yourself.  Until you rack up hundreds of thousands of miles,
> none of us
> will know if the filter is good or bad.
>
> Heck, for 225k, there should be no mechanical failures of any kind
> (excepting maintenance items such as belts, maybe clutch, etc.)
>
> At 04:06 PM 2/26/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >I may be the lone voice saying this:
> >
> >I've used virtually nothing but Fram on both my 1985 Jetta
> TD , and all
> >of my air-cooled VW's for many years (occasionally a [gasp]
> ACDelco, or
> >Purolator). Again, no oil related failures, and engines that have
> >typically lasted into the upper 150k for gas and currently
> 225k for my
> >TD.
> >
> >I think the key is to change the oil regularly, more
> frequently for stop
> >and go driving, even more frequently in the winter when H2O and
> >aromatics don't always get hot enough to cook out of the oil.
> >
> >Developing business and guiding change since 1996,
> >
> >G. Matthew Bulley
> >Bulley-Hewlett
> >Corporate Communications
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> >Call tollfree: +1.877.658.1278
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mike Harrnacker [mailto:harrnack at yahoo.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:16 PM
> >To: vwdiesel at audifans.com; vwpickups at neubayern.net;
> >Audi-VW-Diesels at yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Audi-VW-Diesels] oil and filter request - Thanks!
> >
> >Thanks for the amazing amount of responses about my
> >oil and filter question.
> >
> >I had my doubts about the Fram filter, but the store I
> >was in had very limited choices and I was in a hurry.
> >
> >I'll return the Fram and hunt down something German.
> >
> >I'm going to stick with the Chevron Delo 400 since I
> >can get it in bulk from Costco.
> >
> >Mike Harrnacker
> >81 VW Pickup TD w/79 front end
> >
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