[Vwdiesel] turbine cars
Val Christian
val at swamps.roc.ny.us
Wed Jun 4 23:15:20 EDT 2003
> They were not at all loud, but whistled.
They have more exhaust noise than similar power recip engines.
> The engines were deemed impractical for mass production passenger car
> use. The engines were incredibly expensive due to the close manufacturing
> tolerances, and the lack of compression deceleration raised concerns about
The tolerance issue is probably the biggest factor. I heard that
another factor was fuel control. Computations are cheap now,
so fuel control is easy via microprocessor. All the aviation
turbines have a manual override for fuel, which is not
computer enhanced, and requires a higher work load getting
stablilized.
In aviation, the power demand is ususally constant, and doesn't
fluctuate much from a given setting (torque),
I forget the correct term for a split turbine, but I understand
that the torque near stall is the highest, and that stepped
transmissions might not be necessary. In other words, when
you start rolling, you have the most torque.
Idle fuel flow is high.
> braking adequacy and longevity. Transmitting power via raw thrust was, of
> course, impossible on the street without incinerating everything behind it,
> so hooking them up to transmissions was necessary and the engines
> overpowered and broke other powertrain components. Unfortunately,
> ultra-high revving turbines and acceleration off idle aren't an ideal match,
> and fuel consumption in urban traffic, as well as fuel availability was an
> issue. Finally, servicing the engines would have exceeded the capabilities
> of the dealers. In short, after the Indy trials, they were judged to be
I agree that servicing is an issue. Then again perhaps dealers
are getting better at dealing with turbocharged diesels, with
electronic engine controllers. But I guess that ultimately
there are enough people smart enough to be trained to service
them.
> impractical. To my knowledge, that's become conventional wisdom; perhaps
> it's time to challenge that.
> But seeing Parnelli Jones whistle by in that orange STP special was
> unforgettable.
> Scott Kair
Very interesting story. Thanks for sharing!
-Val
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