[Vwdiesel] Re: vwdiesel digest, Vol 1 #652 - 17 msgs
hihorsenews
hihorsenews at stny.rr.com
Fri Jun 27 13:24:39 EDT 2003
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vrvc> Today's Topics:
vrvc> 1. Help water in cylinder (Forrest L King)
vrvc> 2. Re: Help water in cylinder (Nate Wall)
vrvc> 3. Re: Help water in cylinder (Nate Wall)
vrvc> 4. Re: Help water in cylinder (LBaird119 at aol.com)
vrvc> 5. fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi (Kenneth E. Oldrid)
vrvc> 6. Re: fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi (Nate Wall)
vrvc> 7. Re: fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi (TexasTDI)
vrvc> 8. Water in Cylinder tricks. ( freeing rusted pistons ) (H .Hagar)
vrvc> 9. Re: fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi (weasel)
vrvc> 10. Re: Water in Cylinder tricks. ( freeing rusted pistons ) (weasel)
vrvc> 11. Forrest's 'Fireengine/ water tank :-( (Mark Shepherd)
vrvc> 12. Re: Help water in cylinder (Harmon Seaver)
vrvc> 13. Re: Forrest's 'Fireengine/ water tank :-( (Harmon Seaver)
vrvc> 14. Re: fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi (LBaird119 at aol.com)
vrvc> 15. Rusted stuck pistons ---PITA- ( one fellas experiences ) (H .Hagar)
vrvc> 16. Cylinderwalls -- glazed -- ( What to do ??? ) (H .Hagar)
vrvc> 17. Re: Help water in cylinder (Val Christian)
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vrvc> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> Cc: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:33:35 -0500
vrvc> From: Forrest L King <forrestking at juno.com>
vrvc> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Help water in cylinder
vrvc> Help - I just openend up the engine on my 25 dollar rabbit D and the
vrvc> middle two cylinders were full of water - and it has been there for a
vrvc> long long long long long long time -- about 2 years I think. The engine
vrvc> is locked up, I tried towing it in gear with the head off to pump the
vrvc> water out-- no luck, it just drug a tire.
vrvc> Has anybody had any luck with this? It seems I might be needing a new
vrvc> engine block... any suggestions?
vrvc> Forrest
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vrvc> Message: 2
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:35:37 -0700 (PDT)
vrvc> From: Nate Wall <natewall1 at yahoo.com>
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Help water in cylinder
vrvc> To: Forrest L King <forrestking at juno.com>, vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> Cc: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> Try this: Spray the crap out of those two cylinders w/
vrvc> WD-40 or the like every couple days, or just fill them
vrvc> w/ engine oil and let it sit a while to free them up.
vrvc> If you try to break it loose now, you'll bust the
vrvc> rings. Then, if you ever free it up, try putting it
vrvc> back together and hope for the best. Alternatively, a
vrvc> hone and new set of rings may be the way to go.
vrvc> --Nate
vrvc> --- Forrest L King <forrestking at juno.com> wrote:
>> Help - I just openend up the engine on my 25 dollar
>> rabbit D and the
>> middle two cylinders were full of water - and it has
>> been there for a
>> long long long long long long time -- about 2 years
>> I think. The engine
>> is locked up, I tried towing it in gear with the
>> head off to pump the
>> water out-- no luck, it just drug a tire.
>>
>> Has anybody had any luck with this? It seems I
>> might be needing a new
>> engine block... any suggestions?
>>
>> Forrest
>>
>>
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vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:35:37 -0700 (PDT)
vrvc> From: Nate Wall <natewall1 at yahoo.com>
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Help water in cylinder
vrvc> To: Forrest L King <forrestking at juno.com>, vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> Cc: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> Try this: Spray the crap out of those two cylinders w/
vrvc> WD-40 or the like every couple days, or just fill them
vrvc> w/ engine oil and let it sit a while to free them up.
vrvc> If you try to break it loose now, you'll bust the
vrvc> rings. Then, if you ever free it up, try putting it
vrvc> back together and hope for the best. Alternatively, a
vrvc> hone and new set of rings may be the way to go.
vrvc> --Nate
vrvc> --- Forrest L King <forrestking at juno.com> wrote:
>> Help - I just openend up the engine on my 25 dollar
>> rabbit D and the
>> middle two cylinders were full of water - and it has
>> been there for a
>> long long long long long long time -- about 2 years
>> I think. The engine
>> is locked up, I tried towing it in gear with the
>> head off to pump the
>> water out-- no luck, it just drug a tire.
>>
>> Has anybody had any luck with this? It seems I
>> might be needing a new
>> engine block... any suggestions?
>>
>> Forrest
>>
>>
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vrvc> Message: 4
vrvc> From: LBaird119 at aol.com
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:54:57 EDT
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Help water in cylinder
vrvc> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>> Has anybody had any luck with this? It seems I might be needing a new
>> engine block... any suggestions?
vrvc> At minimum you need a rebore. A friend let his sit, open one winter, with
vrvc> the hood down. Water had gotten into a cylinder an evaporated before
vrvc> reassembly. A couple months after getting it running he had starting
vrvc> problems. We pulled the head and after a little honing I ran my hand
vrvc> down the walls to wipe them off. There was a big (tolerance wise)
vrvc> wallowed out area, kind of half-moon shaped, in one cylinder. :(
vrvc> The rust made the metal softer and it wore away.
vrvc> Loren
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vrvc> Message: 5
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:07:08 -0400
vrvc> From: "Kenneth E. Oldrid" <koldrid at zoo.uvm.edu>
vrvc> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> Subject: [Vwdiesel] fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi
vrvc> Hi all,
vrvc> I'm trying to change the fuel filter on my tdi. I can't seem to bleed the air
vrvc> out of the system! Is there a trick for the tdi I'm not aware of? I have
vrvc> cracked the injector lines and cranked the engine till fuel came out. I hooked
vrvc> up an electric pump on return side of injector pump to pull fuel thru it, but
vrvc> the air is remaining in the lines. What about the fuel preheater gizmo on the
vrvc> filter where the return line passes thru the fiter? I didn't get a new one of
vrvc> those when I bought the filter from the stealership ($45!). Oh well, I guess I
vrvc> won't be enjoying AC today.
vrvc> Ken
vrvc> --__--__--
vrvc> Message: 6
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
vrvc> From: Nate Wall <natewall1 at yahoo.com>
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi
vrvc> To: "Kenneth E. Oldrid" <koldrid at zoo.uvm.edu>, vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> I dunno, I replaced the fuel filter on Mom's 2000
vrvc> Jetta TDI and I was amazed at the amount of cranking I
vrvc> had to do to get the fuel flowing again. Seems like it
vrvc> was a total of 2 - 3 minutes, but in short (10 sec)
vrvc> bursts to prevent starter overheating. On the IDI
vrvc> diesels I have a $8 or so Harbor Freight hand suction
vrvc> pump I connect to the "Fuel Out" connector on the
vrvc> filter and I suck the filter full of fuel before
vrvc> connecting the line. Fires right up!
vrvc> --Nate
vrvc> --- "Kenneth E. Oldrid" <koldrid at zoo.uvm.edu> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I'm trying to change the fuel filter on my tdi. I
>> can't seem to bleed the air
>> out of the system! Is there a trick for the tdi I'm
>> not aware of? I have
>> cracked the injector lines and cranked the engine
>> till fuel came out. I hooked
>> up an electric pump on return side of injector pump
>> to pull fuel thru it, but
>> the air is remaining in the lines. What about the
>> fuel preheater gizmo on the
>> filter where the return line passes thru the fiter?
>> I didn't get a new one of
>> those when I bought the filter from the stealership
>> ($45!). Oh well, I guess I
>> won't be enjoying AC today.
>>
>> Ken
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vrvc> Message: 7
vrvc> From: "TexasTDI" <texasvwdriver at hotmail.com>
vrvc> To: "Nate Wall" <natewall1 at yahoo.com>
vrvc> Cc: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:19:36 -0500
vrvc> Do ya'll bother filling the fuel filters up with diesel or diesel treatment
vrvc> when you install them? I've never had to crank more than a couple of
vrvc> seconds after I install a new fuel filter on either of my diesels.
vrvc> Chris Thornton
vrvc> 1991 VW Jetta 2 Door 1.6 Diesel - 237k miles
vrvc> 2000 VW Golf 1.9 TDI (turbo diesel) - 82k miles
vrvc> Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants Dealer #1098500
vrvc> http://www.amsoil.com
vrvc> ----- Original Message -----
vrvc> From: "Nate Wall" <natewall1 at yahoo.com>
vrvc> To: "Kenneth E. Oldrid" <koldrid at zoo.uvm.edu>; <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
vrvc> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:32 PM
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi
>> I dunno, I replaced the fuel filter on Mom's 2000
>> Jetta TDI and I was amazed at the amount of cranking I
>> had to do to get the fuel flowing again. Seems like it
>> was a total of 2 - 3 minutes, but in short (10 sec)
>> bursts to prevent starter overheating. On the IDI
>> diesels I have a $8 or so Harbor Freight hand suction
>> pump I connect to the "Fuel Out" connector on the
>> filter and I suck the filter full of fuel before
>> connecting the line. Fires right up!
>>
>> --Nate
vrvc> --__--__--
vrvc> Message: 8
vrvc> From: "H .Hagar" <h_hagar at prcn.org>
vrvc> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:46:22 -0700
vrvc> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Water in Cylinder tricks. ( freeing rusted pistons )
vrvc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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vrvc> Forrest I have been there many times with all kinds of engines. I would fol=
vrvc> low Val Christians advice and use liquid wrench ---let soak. Then the BIG =
vrvc> sledge and a block of wood.. Turning crank with a breaker-bar on crank spro=
vrvc> cket bolt.
vrvc> Amazing how some engines recover after something like that. And I thou=
vrvc> ght my 300 dollar one was a special . Tell us how far down are the pi=
vrvc> stons. ??? Hagar.
vrvc> --
vrvc> --__--__--
vrvc> Message: 9
vrvc> From: "weasel" <weasel1 at sympatico.ca>
vrvc> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:33:32 -0400
vrvc> Organization: .
vrvc> I'll concur with that ! I have always filled my filters with a fuel
vrvc> conditioner of some sort and its always started just like the filter was
vrvc> never off.
vrvc> ----- Original Message -----
vrvc> From: "TexasTDI" <texasvwdriver at hotmail.com>
vrvc> To: "Nate Wall" <natewall1 at yahoo.com>
vrvc> Cc: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
vrvc> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:19 PM
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi
>> Do ya'll bother filling the fuel filters up with diesel or diesel
vrvc> treatment
>> when you install them? I've never had to crank more than a couple of
>> seconds after I install a new fuel filter on either of my diesels.
>>
>> Chris Thornton
>> 1991 VW Jetta 2 Door 1.6 Diesel - 237k miles
>> 2000 VW Golf 1.9 TDI (turbo diesel) - 82k miles
>> Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants Dealer #1098500
>> http://www.amsoil.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nate Wall" <natewall1 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Kenneth E. Oldrid" <koldrid at zoo.uvm.edu>; <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi
>>
>>
>> > I dunno, I replaced the fuel filter on Mom's 2000
>> > Jetta TDI and I was amazed at the amount of cranking I
>> > had to do to get the fuel flowing again. Seems like it
>> > was a total of 2 - 3 minutes, but in short (10 sec)
>> > bursts to prevent starter overheating. On the IDI
>> > diesels I have a $8 or so Harbor Freight hand suction
>> > pump I connect to the "Fuel Out" connector on the
>> > filter and I suck the filter full of fuel before
>> > connecting the line. Fires right up!
>> >
>> > --Nate
>> _______________________________________________
>> vwdiesel mailing list
>> vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/vwdiesel
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vrvc> Message: 10
vrvc> From: "weasel" <weasel1 at sympatico.ca>
vrvc> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Water in Cylinder tricks. ( freeing rusted pistons )
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:36:33 -0400
vrvc> Organization: .
vrvc> I know of a bunch of people who used to used diesel fuel to help break free
vrvc> stuck pistons. Fill up the bores as much as you can and then try to break
vrvc> them like Hagar suggests. Hope all you need is a hone !
vrvc> ----- Original Message -----
vrvc> From: "H .Hagar" <h_hagar at prcn.org>
vrvc> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
vrvc> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:46 PM
vrvc> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Water in Cylinder tricks. ( freeing rusted pistons )
vrvc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
vrvc> --
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vrvc> Forrest I have been there many times with all kinds of engines. I would
vrvc> follow Val Christians advice and use liquid wrench ---let soak. Then the
vrvc> BIG sledge and a block of wood.. Turning crank with a breaker-bar on crank
vrvc> sprocket bolt.
vrvc> Amazing how some engines recover after something like that. And I
vrvc> thought my 300 dollar one was a special . Tell us how far down are the
vrvc> pistons. ??? Hagar.
vrvc> --
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vrvc> Message: 11
vrvc> From: "Mark Shepherd" <markonee1 at hotmail.com>
vrvc> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:40:50 +0000
vrvc> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Forrest's 'Fireengine/ water tank :-(
vrvc> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ]
vrvc> 'H' I would also have recomended wooden stake & mallet technique...but as 'F'
vrvc> says only middle 2 cylinders full...so could the engine be at BDC in which
vrvc> case method would not work :-(
vrvc> Quantum-Mark
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vrvc> Message: 12
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:16:46 -0500
vrvc> From: Harmon Seaver <hseaver at cybershamanix.com>
vrvc> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Help water in cylinder
vrvc> On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 01:33:35PM -0500, Forrest L King wrote:
>> Help - I just openend up the engine on my 25 dollar rabbit D and the
>> middle two cylinders were full of water - and it has been there for a
>> long long long long long long time -- about 2 years I think. The engine
>> is locked up, I tried towing it in gear with the head off to pump the
>> water out-- no luck, it just drug a tire.
>>
>> Has anybody had any luck with this? It seems I might be needing a new
>> engine block... any suggestions?
>>
vrvc> I've rebuilt some antique engines that were rusted like that. Try the WD-40
vrvc> and/or kerosene Nate mentioned, if that doesn't work, what I do is take a
vrvc> oxy/acetylene torch and heat the piston top and surrounding cylinder wall --
vrvc> mostly the cylinder walls, try to get them hot enough to expand and break the
vrvc> rust free.
vrvc> --
vrvc> Harmon Seaver
vrvc> CyberShamanix
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vrvc> Message: 13
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:26:48 -0500
vrvc> From: Harmon Seaver <hseaver at cybershamanix.com>
vrvc> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Forrest's 'Fireengine/ water tank :-(
vrvc> On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 10:40:50PM +0000, Mark Shepherd wrote:
>> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ]
>>
>> 'H' I would also have recomended wooden stake & mallet technique...but as 'F'
>> says only middle 2 cylinders full...so could the engine be at BDC in which
>> case method would not work :-(
>>
vrvc> I'd be very, very careful trying to pound it loose. Of course you have to do
vrvc> a little pounding, and the piece of wood you use against the piston top should
vrvc> be a round log section just a bit smaller than bore size. But you can bend a
vrvc> connecting rod pretty easily -- I know, I've done it.
vrvc> Best to use a torch if soaking it and a couple of sharp raps doesn't break it
vrvc> free.
vrvc> --
vrvc> Harmon Seaver
vrvc> CyberShamanix
vrvc> http://www.cybershamanix.com
vrvc> --__--__--
vrvc> Message: 14
vrvc> From: LBaird119 at aol.com
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:22:50 EDT
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] fuel filter change 0n 97 passat tdi
vrvc> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> So is it running and you just see a lot of air? We had that with Dad's and
vrvc> it was a couple of things. The fuel heater/diverter wasn't working right so
vrvc> it'd never kick back to the tank and loose the air. It just kept going
vrvc> 'round
vrvc> and 'round. Also one end of the clear hose, where it crimps onto rubber
vrvc> hose, was leaking air at the crimp. A little JB Weld fixed that. Also in
vrvc> the tank there was a hose or sleeve or something that would allow air into
vrvc> the system if it was slid down, and it was. Had more power, mileage and
vrvc> no air in the lines after we got all done. What a PAIN! Also had a crimped
vrvc> hose going to the ECU that was REALLY cramping the power supply!
vrvc> Same car.
vrvc> Loren
>> What about the fuel preheater gizmo on the
>> filter where the return line passes thru the fiter? I didn't get a new one
>> of
>> those when I bought the filter from the stealership ($45!). Oh well, I
vrvc> guess
>> I
>> won't be enjoying AC today.
vrvc> --__--__--
vrvc> Message: 15
vrvc> From: "H .Hagar" <h_hagar at prcn.org>
vrvc> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:34:19 -0700
vrvc> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Rusted stuck pistons ---PITA- ( one fellas experiences )
vrvc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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vrvc> Mark Shepherd. --- the minute I saw your name , I knew you would pick u=
vrvc> p on that one.--- Forrest fire watertanker etc. The reason I asked about =
vrvc> where the pistons are ----was because of BDC The rust was the smaller =
vrvc> part of the problem , in the "Baddies" I did. The aluminium oxidation =
vrvc> and resulting expansion was the real PITA. I have not used the following on=
vrvc> a rabbit. But the fact is that strong caustic like potassium hydroxide pro=
vrvc> tects steel from rusting , and makes short shift of aluminum pistons. I fil=
vrvc> led the cylinder with maximum concentration then rebored.. Hagar.
vrvc> --
vrvc> --__--__--
vrvc> Message: 16
vrvc> From: "H .Hagar" <h_hagar at prcn.org>
vrvc> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
vrvc> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:50:11 -0700
vrvc> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Cylinderwalls -- glazed -- ( What to do ??? )
vrvc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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vrvc> The 1.5L I just did --the walls looked too perfect.-- so now is the time t=
vrvc> o throw the bon ami at the intakes. --Is comet and Ajax acceptable ??? tha=
vrvc> t's all I got. How about yellow time-saver ???. Ok Mark Shepherd =
vrvc> step up to the plate. Crazy ideas needed.
vrvc> GM said use bon ami. ---is that a fact ???. I seem to remember it from the=
vrvc> GM book.
vrvc> Hagar.
vrvc> --
vrvc> --__--__--
vrvc> Message: 17
vrvc> From: Val Christian <val at swamps.roc.ny.us>
vrvc> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Help water in cylinder
vrvc> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
vrvc> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:19:18 -0400 (EDT)
vrvc> The consideration I can offer is this...
vrvc> -break the bond (heat, chemical, impact). Since it's
vrvc> a cylinder, I'd use kerosine. This time of year, it's
vrvc> warm (10F increase doubles action). WD-40 is mostly
vrvc> fish oil and detergent. Detergent is OK, but kerosine will
vrvc> soften up the rust matrix, and has some lubrication properties.
vrvc> I definitely would lean towards the chemical approach.
vrvc> Kerosine soak. If it runs through, then you'll need a plan
vrvc> B. I'd also favor rapping a trimmed 4x4 with something like a
vrvc> 3 lb hammer. The idea isn't force as much as shock. Break
vrvc> up that rust matrix!
vrvc> If you have a helper, I'd put them on a breaker bar, putting
vrvc> torque on things as you rap away. But I wouldn't rely on
vrvc> crankshaft torque to free things. Too risky and too likely to
vrvc> break something. But 150 ftlbs of preload never hurt.
vrvc> -examine the bore. You may need to home, but if the cast iron
vrvc> has soaked with water, you'll have a breakdown of the casting,
vrvc> and with thermal cycles and the vibration and heat, you may
vrvc> have cylinder wall failure.
vrvc> Val Christian
>>
>> Try this: Spray the crap out of those two cylinders w/
>> WD-40 or the like every couple days, or just fill them
>> w/ engine oil and let it sit a while to free them up.
>> If you try to break it loose now, you'll bust the
>> rings. Then, if you ever free it up, try putting it
>> back together and hope for the best. Alternatively, a
>> hone and new set of rings may be the way to go.
>>
>> --Nate
>>
>> --- Forrest L King <forrestking at juno.com> wrote:
>> > Help - I just openend up the engine on my 25 dollar
>> > rabbit D and the
>> > middle two cylinders were full of water - and it has
>> > been there for a
>> > long long long long long long time -- about 2 years
>> > I think. The engine
>> > is locked up, I tried towing it in gear with the
>> > head off to pump the
>> > water out-- no luck, it just drug a tire.
>> >
>> > Has anybody had any luck with this? It seems I
>> > might be needing a new
>> > engine block... any suggestions?
>> >
>> > Forrest
>> >
>> >
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Way i free up engines, compressors, and the like:
Spray stuck parts with PB Blaster, available next to the wd40 in good
parts stores. Let soak for over nite.
Then, top off oil with Marvel Mystery Oil, which penetrates and lubes.
Works for me,
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