This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Ken its ALL part of the journey. --- 10 years from now you will be Lord= of the Rings and tell the newbies how to do it ---promise you will do tha= t . Then my time was not wasted. Read the archives on seating of rings a= nd glazed cylinders. have fun Hagar. --