[Vwdiesel] Re: Vwdiesel Digest, Vol 18, Issue 8
James McClure
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Thu Apr 7 19:12:01 EDT 2005
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: super smoke (mikitka)
2. Re: biodiesel projects (Sandy Cameron)
3. Re: Re: Brake rebuilding (David Cook)
4. Re: Re: Brake rebuilding (LBaird119 at aol.com)
5. Re: NA exhaust valves for a TD head? (LBaird119 at aol.com)
6. Re: NA exhaust valves for a TD head? (LBaird119 at aol.com)
7. Re: super smoke (LBaird119 at aol.com)
8. Re: NA exhaust valves for a TD head? (Shawn Wright)
9. RE: NA exhaust valves for a TD head? (James Hansen)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:24:18 -0400
From: "mikitka" <mikitka at earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] super smoke
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It was more on the lines of dark grey and it did smell like diesel. I'll
have to check all those area's. Any good suggestions as to where to send
the pump off too for a reliable rebuild?
Nick
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From: Doyt W. Echelberger [mailto:doyt at buckeye-express.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:05 PM
To: mikitka
Cc: vwdiesel at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] super smoke
What color smoke? I'll assume black, and that sounds like to much fuel for
the air.
Maybe the exhaust path is partially obstructed with rust/mouse nest,
etc....or, maybe the induction path is partially obstructed. And you could
check the air filter for being wet, oil clogged, or insect nest/mouse nest.
My 85 TD blows black smoke when it put my foot in it at operating temp.
Sometimes it blows some blue smoke on cold start.
My na 82 blew (past tense) white smoke when it skipped a notch in the
timing belt. It is RIP.
Doyt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
At 07:49 PM 4/6/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Just was curious. I parked my 91 Jetta TD in January due to what sounded
>like bad lifters. It was running fine and then when I got to work it
started
>with the clacking sound like the lifters would not pump up and ran rough at
>idle but fine cruising down the road. Well between getting the garage
done,
>(which it is almost there, about one more weeks worth of work) family time
>with my twin girls, and my Air Force duty I have not touched the Jetta till
>today to see if it would start. Well it did, not real easy but it did start
>and man o man did it smoke. It will run but will not idle and smokes big
>time. Now can this be an injection pump problem? Before this all happened
>it was running great other than the 0 oil pressure at the head at operating
>temp, and the one qt of oil usage every 400 miles with serious blow by out
>the cam cover. The IP is timed correctly with a dial gage per the Bentley.
>Could my IP be going bad, or is now bad. I installed new injectors back in
>Nov and it ran fine up till that one cold Jan day. I'm just wondering if I
>might as well have the IP rebuilt while I have the head off and the pistons
>out to see why the rings never seated from when I rebuilt it back this past
>summer. Does that sound like a good idea? From what I can tell the IP has
>never been touched and has 178k on it. It is an ECO Jetta. If that makes a
>difference. I was just wondering. Oh to complete the process of work,
>should I go back through the turbo as well and install new seals since I
>will have it off?
>
>I have been reading all the posts. Learning as much as I can. Thanks to
>everyone for all this great information.
>
>
>
>Nick
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:40:42 -0700
From: Sandy Cameron <scameron at compmore.net>
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] biodiesel projects
To: vwdiesel at audifans.com
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At 02:00 PM 4/6/05 -0500, "dub driver" wrote:
>I run biodiesel in my 85 jetta, as well as waste vegetable oil. It
>drastically reduces harmful emissions, is a renewable energy source, and
>saves me a lot of money (using the waste oil).
I dumped some used oil in goldie today, about 2 diesel to one WVO. (30/60)
Smells wonderful. Does inhaling raise my cholesterol levels?
Will be able to go 50/50 in a few weeks when it's warmer. Have the 6 port
valve and will try a dual system as soon as I get wife's spring chores done.
Sandy
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:10:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Cook <vwdieselbunny at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Re: Brake rebuilding
To: raymond greeley <rgreeley2 at hotmail.com>, diesel list
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It wasn't online. I just walked into the store and
asked for a caliper rebuild kit for the rear brakes on
a '90 VW Corrado. They were able to look up the kit
with that info. Like I said, the did have to special
order them into the store.
David
--- raymond greeley <rgreeley2 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> The autozone caliper rebuild kit. was that through
> an online site. My
> autozone
> doesn't have any part numbers for my car (91 jetta).
> Also, your price is
> better
> than autohausaz, again for the fronts on my car.
>
> raymond
>
> >From: David Cook <vwdieselbunny at yahoo.com>
> >To: 82 Diesel Westy <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>,diesel
> list
> ><vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Re: Brake rebuilding
> >Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:31:47 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I will very soon find out how easy brake caliper
> >rebuilding is... I've got to do the rears on my
> >Corrado, maybe this afternoon even.
> >
> >I was able to order the kits through Autozone for
> 5+3
> >shipping each. If you don't live smack in the
> middle
> >of Ford and Chevy Truck-land, you might be able to
> >just pick them up!
> >
> >I haven't picked up the kits yet, but I think it is
> >just an O-ring and rubber boot.
> >
> >David
> >
> >--- 82 Diesel Westy <dieselwesty at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Hi, I have 2 sets of gerling front calipers for
> my
> > > 82
> > > vans. I would like to re-build them before
> > > installing
> > > only to find out they do not work well from
> sitting
> > > around for so many years.
> > >
> > > Is this pretty simple assuming I do not need to
> hone
> > > them?
> > >
> > > Is there a rebuild kit for them and who sells
> it?
> > >
> > > thanks, Bryan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bryan Belman, Pt Pleasant, NJ
> > > 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp
> > > Rebuilding 82 Diesel Weekender from my old rusty
> 82
> > > Westy 1.9NA
> > > 90 Audi 200, 2.3L Turbo FWD
> > > 70 Type 1 stock Beetle
> > >
> >
> >David Cook
> >Red '86 Cabriolet Diesel Powered
> >Red '90 g60 Corrado
> >Brown and White '78 Westy Campmobile "Bear"
> >and others in various states of disrepair
> >Pictures here:
> community.webshots.com/user/superdave5599
> >
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 00:12:16 EDT
From: LBaird119 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Re: Brake rebuilding
To: Vwdiesel at vwfans.com
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I took a look and I can actually get caliper kits! :-)
About $5.50 for Raymond's Jetta and almost $14 for the '82 van Lists
rebuilt caliper w/o pads for about $20 too (Jetta). Almost $60 for
the Girlings w/pads.
I can even get new pistons!
Easy to do. Block the piston so it can *just* pop out then hit the
input with compressed air and pop the piston. Oh yeah, pull the
boot first. Emory the outer part of the bore (outward from the seal
cut. It'll be rusty, it's not critical, you just want to clean it up is
all.
The seal is a square O-ring. The piston and bore generally clean
up with a piece of denim and some clean brake fluid. If it needs more
then use crocus cloth on the piston. The bore doesn't really touch as
I recall and is a kind of rough bore. Maybe I'm thinking of the bottom.
You'll see when you get in there. ;-)
Put in the new seal, lube with a film of brake fluid and push in the
piston. Stop before it's fully in and install the new dust boot then
push it the rest of the way in.
Calipers with parking brakes take a little extra to get the piston back
in.
Loren
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 00:21:02 EDT
From: LBaird119 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] NA exhaust valves for a TD head?
To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
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I might take the head to JB machine today, but I will ask them
about how to ID the valve type first.
I just resealed the Dasher head last night. Looking at the water ports
some of them came right to the edge of the head gasket's sealing ring.
No worn away openings, just the opening itse'f.
Loren
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 00:46:10 EDT
From: LBaird119 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] NA exhaust valves for a TD head?
To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
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Talking about those bearings on the intermediate shaft ? ---I do NOT like
the looks.
Check things out real good to find out what went wrong.
They're old, PERIOD! It's not only a common occurance it's why
replacing those bearings on a rebuild is MANDATORY. Probably
something to do with being a circular bearing and thermal expansion
and contraction cycles. Regardless, after a couple hundred thousand
miles most of them look like this. Of course that's generally after about
15 to 20 years too so it's just as likely that time is a factor also.
>
> The way I remember it , the exhaust valve in the TDs are a special alloy
> and
> coated.
> NOT like NA valves.
> So at least get the turbo valves --non sodium.
>
I recall them being coated but not any special alloy. Thing is when I
put together the NEW head for Dad's pu, there were NO listings for
a TD exhaust valve. Only the INTAKES were listed as NA or TD.
Couldn't see anything really special with them.
Loren
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 01:19:47 EDT
From: LBaird119 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] super smoke
To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
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My 5000TD does something similar. One time I'll start it and it'll smoke
so much you can't see anything through the cloud. Then other times
it'll smoke a little and clear out, then maybe it'll start smoking and
running rough. The injectors were fine on it as well, when parked.
First place I'd look is the injectors. Only pump failures I've seen
are leaks, worn bushings and such. Dad's MB had an intermitten
lopey idle from nearly new. Ended up being one of the check valves.
Loren
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:27:08 -0700
From: "Shawn Wright" <swright at zuiko.sls.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] NA exhaust valves for a TD head?
To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
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On 7 Apr 2005 at 0:46, LBaird119 at aol.com <LBaird119 at aol.com> wrote:
> Talking about those bearings on the intermediate shaft ? ---I do NOT like
> the
> looks. Check things out real good to find out what went wrong.
>
>
> They're old, PERIOD! It's not only a common occurance it's why
> replacing those bearings on a rebuild is MANDATORY. Probably
> something to do with being a circular bearing and thermal expansion
> and contraction cycles. Regardless, after a couple hundred thousand
> miles most of them look like this. Of course that's generally after about
> 15 to
> 20 years too so it's just as likely that time is a factor also.
Two things of note - I've yet to hear of a failed i/s bearing on a gas
engine, and I've
seen lots with well over 300k kms. Also, my TD int shaft is actually a gas
shaft, even
though EKTA lists a diesel version. Mine is 049, instead of 068, and has the
cam
lobe for mechanical fuel pump (I think they all do though). Maybe the 068
shaft only
exists on paper?
> >
> > The way I remember it , the exhaust valve in the TDs are a special alloy
> > and
> > coated. NOT like NA valves. So at least get the turbo valves --non
> > sodium.
> >
>
> I recall them being coated but not any special alloy. Thing is when I
> put together the NEW head for Dad's pu, there were NO listings for
> a TD exhaust valve. Only the INTAKES were listed as NA or TD.
> Couldn't see anything really special with them.
Autohausaz.com and busdepot.com both list separate parts for them now, but
intake
at the same. I'm just hoping I don't need them now...
Shawn Wright
http://zuiko.sls.bc.ca/~swright
'85 Jetta D
'88 Westy 2.1L, soon to be 1.6TD 5 speed
'82 Diesel Westy
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:41:50 -0600
From: James Hansen <jhsg at sasktel.net>
Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] NA exhaust valves for a TD head?
To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
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Well Loren and I corresponded about this. These aren't sodium filled
valves, these are a stellite coated valve. Sodium filled means big stem to
accomodate the sodium filling, so it has room to slosh around when the valve
is hot and dissipate heat. No room for this on a turbo diesel head.
Stellite just makes for a much more durable valve, but cannot be resurfaced,
or you lose the coating... hence replacement. Thinking about it today,
that's the only thing that makes sense too, as I've NEVER seen a diesel head
with sodium valves, not that I've seen a lot, but they are unmistakable, due
to the big stem.
Hope this helps clear a thing or two up...
-James
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From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com]On
Behalf Of Shawn Wright
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:27 PM
To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] NA exhaust valves for a TD head?
On 7 Apr 2005 at 0:46, LBaird119 at aol.com <LBaird119 at aol.com> wrote:
> Talking about those bearings on the intermediate shaft ? ---I do NOT like
the
> looks. Check things out real good to find out what went wrong.
>
>
> They're old, PERIOD! It's not only a common occurance it's why
> replacing those bearings on a rebuild is MANDATORY. Probably
> something to do with being a circular bearing and thermal expansion
> and contraction cycles. Regardless, after a couple hundred thousand
> miles most of them look like this. Of course that's generally after about
15 to
> 20 years too so it's just as likely that time is a factor also.
Two things of note - I've yet to hear of a failed i/s bearing on a gas
engine, and I've
seen lots with well over 300k kms. Also, my TD int shaft is actually a gas
shaft, even
though EKTA lists a diesel version. Mine is 049, instead of 068, and has the
cam
lobe for mechanical fuel pump (I think they all do though). Maybe the 068
shaft only
exists on paper?
> >
> > The way I remember it , the exhaust valve in the TDs are a special alloy
and
> > coated. NOT like NA valves. So at least get the turbo valves --non
sodium.
> >
>
> I recall them being coated but not any special alloy. Thing is when I
> put together the NEW head for Dad's pu, there were NO listings for
> a TD exhaust valve. Only the INTAKES were listed as NA or TD.
> Couldn't see anything really special with them.
Autohausaz.com and busdepot.com both list separate parts for them now, but
intake
at the same. I'm just hoping I don't need them now...
Shawn Wright
http://zuiko.sls.bc.ca/~swright
'85 Jetta D
'88 Westy 2.1L, soon to be 1.6TD 5 speed
'82 Diesel Westy
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