[Vwdiesel] ----( The Power Factor )

[James Hansen]

Heh.  I pay a "reconstruction charge".  Provincial government sucks the
utility budget surplus dry every year, so they can beat their chest and
proclaim balanced budgets.  Then the utility tacks on a reconstruction
charge to replace the aging poles.  I also pay a delivery charge for the
natural gas...  It's not like they truck it here, and I paid for my own pipe
to the farm. delivery.... oiy.
-James

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From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com]On
Behalf Of Area31 Research Facility
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:25 PM
To: H . Hagar.; vwdiesel at vwfans.com
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] ----( The Power Factor )


Hagar,

Hold on to your hat.  Ontario Hydro now charges (sticks) me the poor bastard
customer for their line losses at their side of the meter.  That is one of
the *new* charges.  BTW, you know what "Debt Retirement Charge" that shows
up here on the new billing really is don't you?  It is the cost of funding
the lavish retirement of those executive bastards that accumulated Hydro's
massive debt in the first place!  What really burns my noodle is that even
if I go completely independantly off-grid and get them to yank the meter
I'll still be paying Ontario Hydro's debt through my taxes.

Rob

----- Original Message -----
From: "H . Hagar." <h_hagar at prcn.org>
To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:36 PM
Subject: [Vwdiesel] ----( The Power Factor )


This bugs the hydro co. because your meter shows less watts used than you
actually used, and they have to generate more power than they can charge you
for to supply your load..
Sandy

Sandy Cameron   I hagar got to cut in on this one ---------- to explain to
the NEWBIES
that we are talking about different types of Hydro Meters.  A NORMAL haus
meter in this area is
a simple aluminium disk  coupled to a counter . And it measures
 WATTS. --only.

It does not care what the powerfactor is. ----------My penalty on the
compressor was on
a very complicated Industrial meter.

Sandy and all I understand that the meter measures  ALL the wattage used
ok ----BUT
in a cse of severe  case of low powerfactor ---they the Hydro pays for the
loss in the lines
for which they do not get paid.    ------- losses on our side of the
eter  ---we pay for.
It makes sense to correct .     The loss is fairly small in most cases.

Is it possible to measure Power Factor ?    ----on a Genset standby unit ?
yes indeed.

The enemy is called      KVAR.  ---or Vars if you like.
Volt-Amps-Reactive.   Multiply
with Cosine of Phi   and you get watts.    Cos Phi ? yes it is on the
nameplate of
most motors and generators.(Alternators).   Are your palms getting sweaty ?
so
are mine.----my senility is showing.

Relax ---in a NORMAL household ?   ---DO not worry about power factor.

This talk is for us Genset nuts.   -----

Hagar.
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