[Vwdiesel] Terminal 30? 50 etc ignition problems; Miser Method of cure

[Mark Shepherd]

Roy Are you checking terminal 50 on the ignition switch AND
whilst turning the key as if starting? Yes? Then its the
switch broke as this is the supply point for all the
terminal '50's around the car. So the previous owner was
telling porky's.
The two wire thing was merely to determine if this black/red
wire takes a detour to the starter via the fuse board. It
didnt with all models/version etc. People have mentionedin
the past that their Rabbits/Jettas suffered from wet
corrosion there.
Miser
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Mellor <rmellor at swbell.net>
To: Mark Shepherd <mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Terminal 30? 50 etc ignition
problems; Miser Method of cure


> Wow! Help from the UK. Thanks so much.
>
> Terminal 50 at the ignition switch does not get power
> with the key in the "start" position!
>
> Terminal 30 at the ignition switch is "always on".
>
> I'm assuming by this that the fault lies with the
> terminal 50 circuit.
>
> I'm having trouble tracing the black/red wire on
> terminal 50 at the ignition switch back to the relay
> board. Too many wires!
>
> I don't yet understand enough about how the relay
> board is numbered/lettered to know how to pinpoint a
> specific location. But I'm learning, so bear with me.
>
> I'm not really sure what you mean by this
>
> >3) See if you have two black/ Red wires going to and
> > from the back of the relay.
>
> Thanks so much for your advice.
>
> - Roy
>
> --- Mark Shepherd <mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > this should help:
> > 1) There is no relay for the starter.
> > 2)The ignition signal goes to the solenoid [super
> > relay] on
> > the starter.
> > 3)There are essentially about two different set-ups:
> > A) Power comes from the '30' power rail to the
> > ignition
> > switch. from terminal 'P' on back of relay board to
> > '30' on
> > ignition switch. This is a 4mm red wire.
> >  You then under key turning supply power to the '50'
> > line
> > this is a 4mm black/red [line] wire. This goes
> > directly to
> > the solenoid on the starter...
> > OR
> > B) The black/red [line] goes from the ignition and
> > into the
> > back of the relay  board along a brass rail and back
> > out
> > again as a black/red line wire and to the solenoid.
> > The entry/exit terminals are numbered  (B8 [from
> > ignition]
> > could also be C18) and D24 going out to the starter
> > solenoid.
> > 4) There is also ON SOME vehicles a connector block
> > that has
> > a link to the glowplug relay monitoring/control
> > circuitry
> > This could technically become separated/open
> > circuited by an
> > enthusiast ;o)
> >
> > So what would I do?...
> > 1) Check for permanent power on terminal 30 on
> > ignition
> > switch
> > 2) Check for switched power to the terminal 50 on
> > ignition
> > switch
> > 3) See if you have two black/ Red wires going to and
> > from
> > the back of the relay.
> > Rumour has it Rabbits get wet boards (corrosion?)
> > although
> > not in your case...
> > OK?
> > Mark-The-Miser-UK
> >
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