[Vwdiesel] (Fwd) Another way to do it... (NVC)

Tue May 17 10:21:51 EDT 2005

Iceland's hydrogen production is dependant on geothermal. Let's face it, if you've got a free heat source, you've got it licked. 
We, down here, would be burning lots of coal to make the juice for electrolisis; or nuclear, even worse.

Bob in the entire state

-----Original Message-----
From: rod welch <rod.welch at kolumbus.fi>
To: 'Shirley, Mark R' <MarkRShirley at eaton.com>; 'Mark Shepherd' <mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk>; vwdiesel at vwfans.com
Sent: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:02:50 +0300
Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] (Fwd) Another way to do it... (NVC)

C'mon guys... get real...   diesels are following dinosaurs....  (just like
gassers...)   Hydrogen is the only way to go. 
I seem to remember making it at school...  Water, battery, match, bang....
Something like that...

In the meantime have fun....

Rod
Värtsilä
Finland 

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley, Mark R [mailto:MarkRShirley at eaton.com] 
Sent: 17 May 2005 15:44
To: Mark Shepherd; vwdiesel at vwfans.com
Subject: RE: [Vwdiesel] (Fwd) Another way to do it... (NVC)

As I recall, when doing research to see if it made sense to 
grow my own canola and harvest for oil, (it did not) the 
equipment for harvesting canola was different than turnip
harvesting.  You obviously would combine it, and seems like
you'd need a wheat head or modified wheat head for the combine.

In any event, my uncle is a farmer of about 1000 acres, and 
can barely keep his head above water.  His second full time
job is postmaster at the local post office.

I dabble in hobby farming, and the cost of equipment, even used,
is staggering.  I was just looking at a nice little Kuhn rotary 
hay rake, and it was about $4K used.  You can understand my 
excitement when I found a beat up baler for $200.

I can very very easily see James wrapping up a million or two in 
some decent sized farm equipment to harvest his acreage, which 
in turn feeds you and me with very cheap food.  I get very defensive
about farmers.  Some of the most underappreciated folks on the planet.

Grandad farmed his whole life, born in 1911, farmed right through the
depression and until a couple years before his death in 1990.  I can 
still remember sitting around the lunch table, watching the grain report
and his comment that Beans at $4.50 / bushel and Corn at $2/bushel hadn't
changed in actual cost since the 1930's.  Farmers HAD to get more efficient
if they wanted to eat.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Shepherd [mailto:mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 5:35 AM
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] (Fwd) Another way to do it... (NVC)
> 
> 
> So using best yield and $200 COP
> that comes to 2.47 litres of oil per $
> This excludes cost of machinery as you bought it to plant
> turnips anyway and you can set it off against tax.
> pressing at 4 cents per litre can be 'lost'
> As boss of the farm and working for altruistic reasons
> you're happy to work for peanuts (salted) just so long as
> your combine (with auto pilot) has its library well stocked
> and the Sat. link to the diesel forae paid for...
> So... I can nola see a problem?
> Math-Mark
> 
> 
> James said:
> Put your trust in Michael Moore?
> You may not want to repeat much of what he spouts, as there
> tends to be a
> conflict between fact and sensation.
> 
> As a complainer that biofuel at present cannot be
> competitive, I would
> suggest you need to look at the prices of vegetable oil in
> the world market,
> just like crude oil, it is a traded commodity.
> 
> Coincidentally, I just came in from seeding Canola.  I do
> this stuff for a
> living, and dude, I do not have blinders on.  NOBODY knows
> better than a
> farmer how much money you can lose in a year when commodity
> prices go south,
> or how little value gets assigned to a commodity by
> idealists unless they
> are actually engaged in production of the commodity.  As to
> the fuel issue,
> Canola is 40% oil at crush, slightly dependant on growing
> conditions. Yield
> is around 10-2400lb/acre of seed. density of canola oil
> vares around
> .92g/cm3  Cost of production is $175.00 to $200 per acre,
> exclusive of
> profit. I don't work for free, as there is an investment
> cost of over a
> million dollars on a grain farm in capital assets,
> machinery, and operating
> budget, and then there is my wage as well.  Squeezing the
> oil out of the
> seed involves another 30-40$/ Tonne of seed.  You need to
> produce,
> transport, store, and distribute.  Now you are equipped to
> do the math.
> 
> At present, it is not profitable to take oil that is used
> for cooking oil,
> and use it for Bio-D. THere is a net loss, unless you want
> to redirect your
> military budget to me that is... that being the case, you
> better get the
> storage tanks ready.
> 
> Yes, wars are obscenely expensive. Sad.
> I still favor "world leaders" duking it out in the ring, or
> shotguns at
> fifty paces as opposed to sending everyone else's kids out
> to do it for them
> over nothing.
> -James
> 
> 
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