[Vwdiesel] Hagar's Digressions <=== Following in the steps of Hagar

Tue Nov 15 22:39:36 EST 2005

To those who would like to continue posting offensive political / racist 
rants, pls do a subject line such as "OT: POLITICAL RANT FOLLOWS" for the 
benefit of those of us who are no longer interested in this subject matter.

Much appreciated,
g.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William A. Thompson" <twogreek at hotmail.com>
To: <vwdiesel at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 05:21
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Hagar's Digressions

> Be prepared for mixed messages in this (my) post.
> Often there are conflicting things to consider as
> we reflect on certain things.
>
> I have to say that .... for the most part ... I
> agree with Andrew. I am endeared to Hagar but ...
> being one of the people he esteems to be stupid
> Americans ... and beyond that a stupid Marine
> Vietnam Veteran who had to "understand" that Hanoi
> Jane was broadcasting on Hanoi radio while I was
> in combat in 'Nam ... I have had to bite my tongue
> .. withhold and forbear comment on some of what
> has been posted.
>
> There are rants I could have posted in response
> .. and I did PM responses in the past. I have not
> participated in discussions ... only lurked ...
> because of wishing to forbear and worried I could
> not if I participated at all even in trying to
> post only on the VWDiesel content.
>
> Not to say that I don't agree with Hagar as to his
> fundamental precepts in part. Even in the most
> insulting rants. Although I do strongly disagree
> with some of his conclusions I withhold comment in
> order to avoid insulting him while "ranting" back.
> Part of what I do as I try to respect my elders.
>
> For instance ... no matter how immoral I believe
> it to be that certain countries do not stand up
> and fight to the degree we Americans do when we
> see injustice we can not tolerate further ... no
> matter how immoral it is to benefit from the fact
> that Americans fight and die to the benefit of
> these certain other countries while they
> inappropriately insult us for it ... no matter
> that these certain other countries would not exist
> as they do today but for my brothers in arms
> dieing to their benefit ... no matter that we
> remain silent as the citizens of these other
> countries (and ours) denigrate us for what we do
> which they benefit from ... no matter that the
> mistakes we make in our actions of good intent are
> most often less of a mistake than they would make
> sitting on their hands while despot dictators over
> run them and treat them inhumanely ... WE STILL
> FIGHT FOR THEIR BENEFIT AND ARE PROUD TO DIE SO
> THAT THEY CAN ACT AS THEY DO AND SPEAK THEIR MIND
> IN FREEDOM AND LIBERTY.
>
> Please excuse my rant. It's purpose is to appeal
> to all who are endeared to me to be cognizant that
> I/WE fought so that you can act as you will ...
> speak as you will ... but this is not the
> venue/forum/platform to do some of it. Where the
> context of your experiences are
> interesting/germane with regard to the intended
> content/subjects of this forum ... I love to hear
> the stories. But ... as I tell any of my stories I
> try to tell it so as to avoid insulting/putting
> off others who might be of an entirely different
> political/social mindset/situation than I. When I
> read posts from this forum I am looking for a
> better understanding of our beloved mode of
> transportation ... and although I enjoy knowing
> the why and where of peoples' experiences ... the
> musings of others that post ... I almost quit even
> lurking because of urges to shoot the messenger of
> some comments. Pardon me ... I am a U.S. Marine
> .. our first instinct when threatened/insulted is
> to shoot ... and ask questions later.
>
> I will especially regret it if this causes some of
> the more VWDiesel knowledgeable people to leave. I
> would ask that Hagar consider that some of how he
> has said things is "over the top" and might drive
> off some of the best contributors to this forum.
>
> I would also ask that others consider Hagar's
> situation and be tolerant ... even when he goes
> off topic there is something to learn although I
> won't go into or characterize that for reasons I
> stated already. Although it is awkward ...
> although we may have to forbear ... we too will
> become codgers and geezers in our time  We will
> need the youngins to work hard to tolerate our
> "rants" in order to glean our pearls just as the
> geezers have had to tolerate our youth in order to
> offer them to us.
>
> Additionally ... It doesn't take much at all to
> use the delete key ... or to use message rules to
> automate deletions based on the "from" line to
> filter what ends up in your inbox. Hell ... you
> can even filter so as to receive only from the
> people you want to read.
>
> Don't leave ... just filter messages ... the
> "problem" won't exist forever.
>
>    ...Bill
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Libbybapa at wmconnect.com>
> To: <vwdiesel at audifans.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:41 AM
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Hagar's Digressions
>
>
>> Well, this is a difficult, sad and awkward time
> on this list.  I have in the
>> past not felt the need to comment regarding
> Hagar's posts.  Now I do feel the
>> need.  I feel a fondness for Hagar, and have
> enjoyed some tidbits.  I have
>> also felt free to use the delete button if the
> comments seemed repetitive or less
>> than obviously relevent.  I think I probably
> have political and social views
>> more similar to Hagar's than many of the
> individuals on this list.  Despite
>> that, I find the commentaries on politics and
> current events to be entirely
>> inappropriate on this list.  *Entirely
> inappropriate.*  This list has had a very
>> friendly and compassionate form of communication
> and comraderie.  I see
>> absolutely no reason to comment regarding
> ANYTHING that would even potentially upset
>> or irritate anyone else on this list that is not
> directly and obviously
>> connected to VW DIESELS.  Obviously religion,
> race, politics, current events or even
>> whether you take a shower in the morning,
> evening or once a week would fall
>> in that category.  That seems obvious to me and
> I am one of those Stupid
>> Americans.  Further, there is nothing to be
> gained by such off-topic rants for the
>> individual or the group.  This is a group where
> the listees join for their own
>> enjoyment or information.  When it stops being
> enjoyable, they leave.
>>
>> There are e-mail forums that are designed for
> such discussions.  The thing
>> that confuses me is why they are posted here.  I
> have seen it commented again
>> and again "TAKE IT TO THE WART LIST!".  That
> would be aprropriate.  Here it is
>> not.
>>
>> Politically I think I probably agree more with
> Hagar than with Loren.  I
>> don't know for sure because Loren has had the
> decency to keep his political views
>> primarily to himself.  Despite that, to have
> Loren leave makes me feel ill.  I
>> also find his leaving very reasonable.  I don't
> want to feel bad because of
>> an internet e-mail forum, that's not what it's
> about.  I personally will not
>> stick around to see all the other great
> individuals on this list leave in
>> frustration.  The tolerance of the individuals
> on this list is a resounding comment
>> regarding their good nature.  Refardless
> tolerance is erroded with repetitious
>> offence.  I will stick around until I see One
> More significantly off-topic
>> rant and then I will be gone as well without
> further comment.
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Andrew
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