[Vwdiesel] Timing Belt Change: I know I goofed--how much?

Sun Apr 9 10:48:45 EDT 2006

I see your posting is still not reaching the forum  but is going PM Strange!
So yertiz...
Mark

>From: "rod welch" <rod.welch at kolumbus.fi>
>To: "'jeremy'" <jwchou at yahoo.com>,<Vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Timing Belt Change:  I know I goofed--how much?
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:13:38 +0300
>
>I've got a wood chisel that is the perfect fit for the cam and an old morse
>taper drill bit that fits the pump perfect also...
>Think you need the guage to do the get into the timing but the marks on the
>cover seem to be OK
>Couple of weeks ago I got a complete kit from e-bay for ˆ50...
>Cam block, pin, dial indicator and extension... really cool
>rod of finland
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jeremy [mailto:jwchou at yahoo.com]
>Sent: 05 April 2006 10:05
>To: Vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Timing Belt Change: I know I goofed--how much?
>
>Congrat Dave, you got yours running again.
>I have similar situation as yours when I pulled my IP out of my 81 Rabbit
>last
>month. I don't have any of the special tools mentioned in the Bentley 
>manual
>so
>after I got #1 at TDC I marked both the sprockets of camshaft and IP to 
>some
>fix points on the engine before I remove the timing belt. Few days later I
>found out what I thought as the TDC mark is actually one of the two 1/4" x
>1"
>raised block on either side of actual 0 mark. The bad news is now I am not
>sure
>the marks I've made were to match which raised block? At this point, I 
>think
>I
>have to abandon all my marks and start over again with the real TDC 0 mark.
>The
>question is how do I line up the camshaft to TDC without the tool 2065? Or 
>I
>must have this special tool to do the job right? Secondly, when I line up
>the
>hole on the IP sprocket to the bracket hole to allow the insertion of 5/8"
>round bar(tool 2064) the small round dot on the IP sprocket does not line 
>up
>with the mark on the bracket at the top, is that ok?
>Thirdly, is it possible to do the IP timing without the dial gage?
>Advise is greated appreciated.
>Jeremy
>
>--- David Cook <vwdieselbunny at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks!
> >
> > After sending that last message, I really started
> > thinking about how engines worked, and at one point
> > when I was frustrated about (actually before typing
> > it) I was thinking about how the engine shouldn't care
> > as long as the bottom end was correct.
> >
> > Anyway, I got the belt on, and I'm sure it is on
> > correctly.  I timed the crank marks, the cams for #1
> > were up, and I had a bright idea and manually turned
> > the pump to watch fuel squirt out of the four ports,
> > and stopped it when it squirted for #1.
> >
> > There are actually two holes that the pin could fit
> > in, so it would be possible to time the pump 180 out
> > if you put the pin in the wrong hole.  However, when I
> > watched the fuel squirt out and put the pin in, I
> > noticed that there was a little notch in the IP
> > sprocket that lined up with a mark.  Sheesh, all that
> > worrying for nothing!
> >
> > Today I also changed a leaky oil pan gasket, checked
> > the pump's timing, adjusted the valved (they were all
> > pretty tight), replaced the air filter, a general tune
> > up.
> >
> > I was going to try to start it and let it run for just
> > a few seconds (there isn't a radiator installed yet),
> > but the only extra battery I had had been sitting out
> > for over a year and was very weak, even after being on
> > a charger for awhile and having a jump from the
> > Cabriolet.  The starter would barely move.  I think
> > part of the problem (with not taking a jump) is the
> > battery cables are pretty dirty.
> >
> > I'll get back on it soon enough.
> >
> > David
> >
> > --- David Brodbeck <gull at gull.us> wrote:
> >
> > > David Cook wrote:
> > > > But, as I'm typing this, I could be having a
> > > > revelation...  Does it matter?  Won't it actually
> > > work
> > > > if I just make sure the pointer is at TDC, then
> > > set up
> > > > the camshaft so that the valves were closed?
> > >
> > > Right, it doesn't matter.  Remember, the "part of
> > > the cycle" is governed
> > > by the camshaft!  The bottom end doesn't care.  The
> > > #1 piston will
> > > *always* be at TDC when the pointer on the flywheel
> > > is aligned, and
> > > that's what matters.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Still, any way to know what the pump is doing, if
> > > it
> > > > is 180 out other than trying to start it later?
> > >
> > > I think the locking pin will only go in when it's in
> > > the proper
> > > position.  If you don't have the pin you should
> > > still be able to see the
> > > holes for it.
> > >
> > > VW gave you enough external marks to time this
> > > engine without any issues.
> > >
> >
> >
> > David Cook
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