[Vwdiesel] Stock head gasket on 1.6TD, 2 hole or 3 hole?

[Terry Briggs]

No idea it was ether in the can, was just under the impression it was 
propane from the looks of the can, I did the radio work, not the 
mechanical ..... medication, now where did I leave that prozac.....LOL
On Jun 21, 2006, at 11:13 AM, James Hansen wrote:

>
>>   What little I've seen of truck or farm non glow starting systems 
>> did indeed
>>
>> have a bottle that looked just like a propane bottle but one I do 
>> remember
>> farily clearly said ether, starting fluid or such on it.  That's why 
>> I've
>> always
>> wondered about the "DON'T USE STARTING FLUID" rule.
>
> That rule is bunk.
> you DO have to have a functional brain installed, and not wash down the
> general area with the stuff however. A little goes a long ways. Even
> worse is the ether injection bottles like have been described, which 
> are
> not propane, and are very clearly labelled as containing diethyl ether.
>   I'm glad Terry doesn't dispense medication :-)  They run off a push
> button on the dash that runs a solenoid... most tractors use this 
> system
> now.  There are a couple designs of these, some are built to hold a
> regular ether can, some are for industrial where the can may get 
> whacked
> and burst (loaders, skidders, etc)- so you can get ether in the steel
> bottle like you buy propane for your handheld plumber's style torch- it
> is much more robust.  IIRC the connections are slightly different so
> that nobody uses an ether bottle on a torch and makes a flamethrower.
>
>
>   It seems that if
>> you use ONLY A DAB it doesn't do damage since there are systems that
>> used it on factory setups.  Now if you go using a bunch, with glow 
>> plugs or
>> when it's not needed then certainly you're asking for it.
>>   Am I actually remembering things wrong???  I was sure those systems
>> used ether instead of propane.  Propane isn't all that vapory at -30, 
>> in fact
>>
>> I believe it's pretty darn liquid in the open at just below that!
>
> really depends on the blend and it's area of intended use.  In colder
> climates, it has been blended with a higher vapor pressure so as to 
> have
> sufficient poop to work up to -30.  I know folks that have a light bulb
> on their outdoor propane tank right by the outlet for when it gets
> colder than -30, so the tank makes enough pressure to get fuel to the
> house for the furnace.  After -25, you have to have the light on just 
> to
> get enough heat into the tank to keep the furnace going.
>
> As to ether,best way is to be cranking the engine while adding a tiny
> shot, which is the logic behind the dash mounted switch.  I know on the
> bigger stuff with low compression, on cool mornings it really helps get
> all cylinders to light up and not have to idle coughing and snorting 
> and
> pushing raw fuel out the stack until they get going by themselves.
>
> For our tiny cars, if needed, best way is to have a rag in front of the
> intake, and to spray the rag and run around to hit the starter.  Therer
> is a big difference in ether requirements betweeen an 18:1 compression
> 16litre Cummins, and a 23:1 1.6 litre volks.
>
> I have tried propane as a starting aid, and in the cold, it puts out 
> the
> fire and locks worse than ether.
> -James
>
>
>>      Loren
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