[Vwdiesel] Burning water

[James Hansen]

Exactly.
For this to work, perpetual motion has to be possible, unless you can 
make the radio waves for free, which you can't.  Radio frequency waves 
can do a lot, such as rearrange the spin on your water molecules so you 
can measure the energy released when they relax, and make an image 
called an MRI.  But they sure cost a lot in terms of energy to make.

My wife read the article over my shoulder and asked if it was an april 
fools joke.- an article on salt water containing the name of a scientist 
  of Rustum Roy.  Sounds like an evil mad scientist spreading salt on 
Arizona roads and cars...

Unfortunately more and more of science has become considered a success 
when it garners grant money, rather than has facts or results arising 
from it. (Theory of global warming for instance)

Thanks for the link Chris.
-james

Doyt W. Echelberger wrote:
> David Cook asks about the emissions from "burning water."
> 
> Water molecules are an atom of oxygen sharing its outer-shell electrons 
> with two atoms of hydrogen, thus the formula H2O.
> 
> In salt water solutions, the hydrogen parts of the water (very positive) 
> are attracted to the chloride, and the oxygen faces (very negative) of the 
> water molecules are attracted to the sodium.
> 
> this results in clusters of water molecules forming envelopes around 
> positively charged sodium ions and negatively charged chloride ions.
> 
> According to the news release, the radio waves weaken the bonds between the 
> hydrogen and the oxygen.
> 
> Some of the weakened bonds break, releasing the hydrogen.
> 
> The hydrogen departs, taking its single electron along with it.
> 
> The loose hydrogen then can be ignited, and it 'burns'....bonds with 
> oxygen.....(again.)
> 
> This bonding releases lots of heat energy....which would be harnessed to 
> spin a shaft (in a turbine) or move a piston (in an engine) which does work.
> 
> This bonding also forms another water molecule....the emission.
> 
> The question remains....making the radio waves in the first place with the 
> radio frequency generator requires energy, and is (?) this the same amount 
> of energy that appears when the loose hydrogen bonds with the oxygen (to 
> run the machine) ?  If so, the process is a wash and not very useful. 
> Interesting yes, but not a huge shift in the way we power machines to do 
> work. Maybe (even probably) it even takes more energy to make the radio 
> waves than is produced when the hydrogen burns. In that case, it is just 
> another example of how energy moves from where it is to where it isn't.
> 
> No free lunch.
> 
> Doyt
> 
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