[Vwdiesel] Diesel vs hybrid battle heats up

[brian gochnauer]

In the last 25+ years I've bought three new cars, I've keep them all 10+
years and I don't think that's stupid.
The depreciation over 10+ yrs is minimal when compared to buying a 3-4 yr.
old used car and keeping it 2-3 yrs.

Brian G (Iowa)


On 12/2/08, peter blake <pila47 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Brian,
>   Right on target, I rarely if ever buy new, it just seems so
> stupid to buy a huge chunk of depreciation. I think being
> called a consumer is an insult.
> Peter
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, decker at toledotel.com <decker at toledotel.com> wrote:
>
> > From: decker at toledotel.com <decker at toledotel.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel vs hybrid battle heats up
> > To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:14 PM
> > Hi Folks;
> >     This debate pitting the new TDI diesel vs the Pruis
> > Hybrid seems  to me
> > to be for people who wouldn't mind using new 100 dollar
> > bills to start their
> > bar-be-que fire. I do think the consensus is that  it is
> > probably a push for
> > fuel cost between the two but it seems to me to be a stupid
> > move cost wise.
> > If one believes they must have a brand new car instead of a
> > used one they
> > should perhaps consider say the Toyota Yaris. Either your
> > Prius or the VW
> > TDI will cost 10 grand more than the Yaris. If you were to
> > drive each
> > 100,000 miles you will save about 2000 dollars in fuel
> > costs at today's
> > prices and even if you figure fuel will double soon that is
> > still 6 grand
> > you burned for the privilege of driving a new TDI diesel or
> > a Prius. There
> > are other added costs to the TDI/Prius options but I
> > haven't bothered to
> > figure them out . I'm sure there are other conventional
> > gas engine new cars
> > out there that will get 30+ miles per gallon and cost even
> > less than a
> > Toyota Yaris.
> >     In the present day economy and taxation climate a
> > dollar not spent is
> > much more than a dollar earned. For this reason I will keep
> > driving my 1981
> > Dasher diesel station wagon with it's 1.6 N/A diesel
> > and a 5 speed. It is
> > I'm absolutely positively certain more reliable than
> > either a new TDI or
> > Prius. It will get 45 miles per gallon if I drive it at 70
> > mph and 50 mpg if
> > I drive it at 60 mph. I have about 2000 dollars in it
> > including completely
> > rebuilding the engine. I have driven it about 50,000 miles
> > now and figure It
> > will run another 100,000 miles without spending more than a
> > grand or so even
> > if I have to rebuild much of the running gear. I don't
> > keep collision
> > insurance on it , only liability, uninsured motorist and
> > hospitalization.
> >     Being as much as possible a  non-consumer or at least a
> > consumer of used
> > merchandise seems to me to be the best way to keep
> > one's head above water in
> > these trying times.
> > Brian Decker
> > Western Washington
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William J Toensing"
> > <toensing at wildblue.net>
> > To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:06 AM
> > Subject: [Vwdiesel] Diesel vs hybrid battle heats up
> >
> >
> > > 1) Thanks for the link to the auto section of the
> > Toronto newspaper.
> > Locally here in the Sacramento area you can buy a Prius for
> > $1,000 off of
> > MSRP & get immediate delivery. However the nearest VW
> > dealer in Roseville,
> > CA is getting a $4,000 pack above MSRP on a new TDI.
> > Salesman at that VW
> > dealer says most of the Mexican VW  TDI production is going
> > to Europe as VW
> > can get more money in the European market than in the US
> > market. Don't know
> > if this salesman is just pulling my leg or is serious. If
> > he is serious, I
> > then don't think VW is serious about the diesel market,
> > at least in Calif.
> > Can't afford a new car now, anyway, but if I could, I
> > wouldn't pay over MSRP
> > for any car! Although I prefer diesels (wouldn't be
> > contributing to this
> > discussion group if I wasn't) I think owning a Prius
> > would be cheaper to own
> > in the long run although a TDI would be more fun to drive.
> > Here in the Grass
> > Valley/Nevada City, CA the Prius appears the most common
> > single model car on
> > our local roads
> > >  & the next most common are older Mercedes
> > diesels. Many more of each than
> > my Ford Focus ZX3. I haven't seen any other Quantums or
> > Dashers around,
> > other than my own.
> > > I heard somewhere that Ford plans to bring the diesel
> > Fiesta over here a
> > year after they introduce the gas Fiesta & that a new
> > Honda Insight hybrid
> > will be here in a year that will sell for less than a
> > Prius. Lets hope the
> > gas/diesel prices will stay down long enough for this to
> > happen. However, I
> > don't think they will & suggest $5 a gallon
> > gas/diesel be factored into any
> > future automobile purchase.
> > >
> >
> >
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