[Vwdiesel] something worth trading the A4 in for

[Terry Briggs]

It sure is a calculation. Last I heard, difference of opinion was a 
good thing. Apparently you can't handle that for some reason.

Now, I wonder how many would have the inclination to call a complete 
stranger a retard to their face, not very many I suspect, I wonder 
which camp you fall into. It's just a forum, lets keep it civil
On Jul 6, 2008, at 8:39 PM, brian gochnauer wrote:

> Terry,
>  
>  HP isn't a measurement it's STRICTLY a calculation,  torque X 
> rpm ....   lol
> Geesh, how many ways can it be said !!
>  
> "Arguing online ... , even if you WIN, your still a retard."
>
>  
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Terry Briggs <vbriggs at stny.rr.com> 
> wrote:
>> You can have massive amounts of HP and little to no torque, and said
>> car, plane {insert fav mode of transport} and you won't go anywhere
>>  fast but once you get it rolling, will be able to get some good 
>> speed.
>> HP doesn't move anything, torque is what gets the world moving. Torque
>> being a rotational force applied. if it doesn't have the grunt to 
>> twist
>>  the axle, not going to move much. Granted there is a hand in hand
>> correlation between HP and torque, but it is possible to have hi 
>> torque
>> and low hp and beat anything that pulls up next to you, you just need
>> the right weight car, bike etc. Compared to a gasser, a diesel truck
>>  has low hp and very hi torque, off the line the gasser doesn't stand 
>> a
>> chance, massive amounts of torque to get the load rolling, down the
>> line, due to several factors like rpm capability of a gasser compared
>>  to a diesel things change but there are still more examples of 
>> diesels
>> smoking the tires off of a gasser due to torque.
>> On Jul 6, 2008, at 3:07 AM, David Schwarze wrote:
>>
>> > Sorry, but HP is what moves the car.  Period.  Torque does you no 
>> good
>> > if you don't have some RPM to go with it, and at that point you are
>>  > talking about HP (because HP is basically torque X RPM).
>> >
>> > Torque is only useful as a measurement of the specific output of the
>> > engine at a particular RPM.  Good for measuring efficiency, not
>>  > particularly useful in determining how fast a car will accelerate.
>> >
>> > The more HP you have, the faster the car will accelerate.  Rapid
>> > acceleration is a simple matter of commanding the motor to the RPM
>>  > which
>> > provides maximum HP and keeping it as close to that RPM as possible.
>> > Notice that I did not mention torque anywhere in that sentence.
>> >
>> > The advantage of a diesel is that it makes relatively high HP at low
>>  > RPMs... so at low RPM you have an advantage with the diesel. 
>>  Great for
>> > towing.  At high RPM however the diesel loses it's advantage and 
>> high
>> > RPM is where the most horsepower is made.
>> >
>> > Consider two cars - one making 60lb/ft peak torque and 100 peak hp 
>> and
>>  > the other making 100 lb/ft peak torque and 60 peak hp (with typical
>> > torque curves).  Which do you think will win a drag race?  I will 
>> bet
>> > every dime on the car making 100hp, and you should too, unless you 
>> want
>>  > to lose your money.
>> >
>> > -David
>> >
>> > lbaird119 at aol.com wrote:
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Terry Briggs <vbriggs at stny.rr.com>
>>  >> To: Vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>> >> Sent: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 9:36 pm
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] something worth trading the A4 in for
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>  >> to use an old racers saying, HP doesn't win races, torque wins 
>> races.
>> >> Torque gets you moving, hp allows you to maintain speed once the
>> >> torque
>> >> drops off. The curve of which determines how fast the end result 
>> is.
>>  >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> GLAD to hear someone else say something like that!
>> >>
>> >> I've said for years that HP is what you brag about,
>> >>
>> >> torque is what turns the wheels.  :-)  It's SO hard
>>  >>
>> >> to convince someone that a smaller hp diesel CAN
>> >> outperform a larger HP gasser because it has MORE
>> >>
>> >> torque!
>> >>      Loren
>> >>
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