[Vwdiesel] Vwdiesel Digest, Vol 53, Issue 13
James W Farnan
bfarnans at mac.com
Wed Mar 12 10:17:46 PDT 2008
I guess fuel prices are going where some politicians want it to go.
There does seem to be a scarcity of petroleum products. But, not of
petroleum. Canada, our major supplier, has, I think, a couple of
centuries of known reserves, maybe more. Of course, us, the good old
USA has oil in alaska, offshore California and the Gulf of Mexico. An
immense amount waiting to be tapped. But as soon as an energy plan is
offered to utilize some of these resources, one party continuously
fights against it. In the meantime, it looks like Cuba, with the help
of some of her friends will start exploring in the gulf (slant
drilling, I've been told to tap into our discoveries) while we set
around talking about corn fuel., etc., etc..
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> 1. Re: Diesel prices (Dave Cook)
> 2. Re: Diesel prices (Will Taygan)
> 3. It's peak oil, duh. [Fwd: Re: Diesel prices] (Will Taygan)
> 4. Re: Diesel prices (FDM-JRS Advocats)
> 5. Re: Diesel prices (LBaird119 at aol.com)
> 6. Re: Diesel prices (mark shepherd)
> 7. Re: Diesel prices (FDM-JRS Advocats)
> 8. Re: Diesel prices (Bryan Belman)
> 9. Re: Diesel prices (James Hansen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:57:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dave Cook <davevw at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
> To: VW Diesel Group <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Message-ID: <330712.56504.qm at web46002.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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> I'll try that again. I must have hit the "TinyURL" button twice and
> not realized it.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/236nrq
>
> or
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/business/02every.html?em&ex=1204693200&en=e669aa2b828d4e7a&ei=5087_
>
> Dave Cook <davevw at yahoo.com> wrote: http://tinyurl.com/27gb6d
>
> Interesting perspective on the oil companie's profits.
>
> Scott Kair wrote:
> Diesel hit $3.99 here, 120 miles south of Chicago, over the weekend.
> A number of factors are at work. As usual, the *lack* of refining
> capacity,
> or the lack of modernized refining capacity is part of the problem.
> Part is
> attributed to the added cost of refining ULSD. It's also still
> winter, so
> part of the bunker oil that could further be refined to #1 heating
> or #2
> Diesel is being allocated to #1 heating oil.
> By far, though, the major contributing factors are the continued
> decline of the dollar against more sound currencies, well-founded
> fear in
> the futures markets that any of several major oil exporters could
> denominate
> oil in euros rather than dollars, continued antagonism between the
> Current
> Occupant and various oil producing nations and the cartel, and
> record oil
> company profits.
> Scott Kair
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-
> bounces at vwfans.com] On
> Behalf Of S. Shourds
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:05 AM
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
>
> I was just up in Chicago and saw prices of 3.999/gal. That was 80
> cents
> higher than gas. Anyone know what's going on? Barring that, anyone
> know
> where to buy sodium hydroxide for some bioDiesel? Even then, the
> last deli
> I talked to said that they no longer had to pay for grease hauling.
> Sounds
> like even the economics of that are shifting away from our favour.
>
> -Shalyn
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:14:09 -0800
> From: Will Taygan <william at taygan.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
> To: "vwdiesel at vwfans.com" <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Message-ID: <1205334849.5545.3.camel at chugiak>
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> Official diesel price averages:
> http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp
>
> US Gov't explanation of why diesel prices are high:
> http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/diesel/index.html
>
>
> Quote:
>
> Why are diesel fuel prices higher than gasoline prices?
>
> Until several years ago, the average price of diesel fuel was usually
> lower than the average price of gasoline. In some winters when the
> demand for distillate heating oil was high, the price of diesel fuel
> rose above the gasoline price. Since September 2004, the price of
> diesel
> fuel has been generally higher than the price of regular gasoline all
> year round for several reasons. Worldwide demand for diesel fuel and
> other distillate fuel oils has been increasing steadily, with strong
> demand in China, Europe, and the U.S., putting more pressure on the
> tight global refining capacity. In the U.S., the transition to
> low-sulfur diesel fuel has affected diesel fuel production and
> distribution costs. Also, the Federal excise tax on diesel fuel is 6
> cents higher per gallon (24.4 cents per gallon) than the tax on
> gasoline.
>
>
> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 07:57 -0700, Dave Cook wrote:
>> I'll try that again. I must have hit the "TinyURL" button twice
>> and not realized it.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/236nrq
>>
>> or
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/business/02every.html?em&ex=1204693200&en=e669aa2b828d4e7a&ei=5087_
>>
>> Dave Cook <davevw at yahoo.com> wrote: http://tinyurl.com/27gb6d
>>
>> Interesting perspective on the oil companie's profits.
>>
>> Scott Kair wrote:
>> Diesel hit $3.99 here, 120 miles south of Chicago, over the weekend.
>> A number of factors are at work. As usual, the *lack* of refining
>> capacity,
>> or the lack of modernized refining capacity is part of the problem.
>> Part is
>> attributed to the added cost of refining ULSD. It's also still
>> winter, so
>> part of the bunker oil that could further be refined to #1 heating
>> or #2
>> Diesel is being allocated to #1 heating oil.
>> By far, though, the major contributing factors are the continued
>> decline of the dollar against more sound currencies, well-founded
>> fear in
>> the futures markets that any of several major oil exporters could
>> denominate
>> oil in euros rather than dollars, continued antagonism between the
>> Current
>> Occupant and various oil producing nations and the cartel, and
>> record oil
>> company profits.
>> Scott Kair
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-
>> bounces at vwfans.com] On
>> Behalf Of S. Shourds
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:05 AM
>> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
>> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
>>
>> I was just up in Chicago and saw prices of 3.999/gal. That was 80
>> cents
>> higher than gas. Anyone know what's going on? Barring that,
>> anyone know
>> where to buy sodium hydroxide for some bioDiesel? Even then, the
>> last deli
>> I talked to said that they no longer had to pay for grease
>> hauling. Sounds
>> like even the economics of that are shifting away from our favour.
>>
>> -Shalyn
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>>
>> Dave Cook
>> AKA
>> redcorradoguy
>> vwwestyman
>> vwdieselbunny
>> dieselcabby
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:44:50 -0800
> From: Will Taygan <william at taygan.com>
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] It's peak oil, duh. [Fwd: Re: Diesel prices]
> To: "vwdiesel at vwfans.com" <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Message-ID: <1205336690.5545.9.camel at chugiak>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> In other words: it's peak oil, baby..
>
> In other other words: everybody wants oil, there ain't enough supply
> and those with the cash will pay more for it.
>
> My favorite peak oil film is "The End of Suburbia." It's well made,
> and uses petroleum experts and international bankers to make the
> argument rather than the standard greenies.
>
> The website is a little hyped up, but the film itself is more
> reasoned and thought-out.
>
> http://www.endofsuburbia.com/index.htm
>
> Maybe your local library has a copy.
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:09:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: FDM-JRS Advocats <dralaw at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Message-ID: <81816.31620.qm at web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Here in Mexico (don't know in the border), diesel is priced at 2.03
> USD per gallon (3.785Lt) PEMEX, the owned state company, sell low
> sulfur diesel and PEMEX, has fixed prices. The actual government
> pretends to open the oil market. Aren't they generous?
>
> Francisco
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:24:08 EDT
> From: LBaird119 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Message-ID: <c93.23b15c09.35095da8 at aol.com>
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> In a message dated 3/12/2008 8:14:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> william at taygan.com writes:
>
>> Also, the Federal excise tax on diesel fuel is 6
>> cents higher per gallon (24.4 cents per gallon) than the tax on
>> gasoline.
>>
>
> Didn't we go over how many gallons in a barrel recently and
> it all came down to the "greedy" oil companies making cents
> per gallon in profit? It's always made into some kind of "crime"
> for the oil companies to make <$.05/gallon but there's no
> outcry about the government "making" a quarter off every
> gallon and that's just Federal. Local makes roughly another
> quarter. They don't even do anything to create the product.
> They do what they can to make it difficult in many cases.
> Loren
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:32:53 -0000
> From: "mark shepherd" <mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
> To: "vw fans" <Vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Message-ID: <005301c8845e$b8306230$7501a8c0 at mark>
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>
> Here in the UK
> Gasoline is ?1.05 per litre. Diesel is ?1.09 per litre or $7.95 and
> $8.24
> per US gallon respectively.
> So stop bloody moaning you guys :o)
> Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "FDM-JRS Advocats" <dralaw at yahoo.com>
> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
>
>
>> Here in Mexico (don't know in the border), diesel is priced at 2.03
>> USD
>> per gallon (3.785Lt) PEMEX, the owned state company, sell low sulfur
>> diesel and PEMEX, has fixed prices. The actual government pretends
>> to open
>> the oil market. Aren't they generous?
>>
>> Francisco
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:55:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: FDM-JRS Advocats <dralaw at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Message-ID: <238430.66000.qm at web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> OUCH!!!!
>
> Here in the UK
> Gasoline is ?1.05 per litre. Diesel is ?1.09 per litre or $7.95
> and $8.24
> per US gallon respectively.
> So stop bloody moaning you guys :o)
> Mark
>
>
> You see, wasn't mourning... : )
>
> Francisco
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:55:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bryan Belman <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Message-ID: <43759.1277.qm at web38710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> OK, that will quite me down for sure.
>
> We get it, thanks for reminding us Mark.
>
> I could not afford to drive to work if that were the
> case here.
>
> --- mark shepherd <mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Here in the UK
>> Gasoline is ?1.05 per litre. Diesel is ?1.09 per
>> litre or $7.95 and $8.24
>> per US gallon respectively.
>> So stop bloody moaning you guys :o)
>> Mark
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "FDM-JRS Advocats" <dralaw at yahoo.com>
>> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
>>
>>
>>> Here in Mexico (don't know in the border), diesel
>> is priced at 2.03 USD
>>> per gallon (3.785Lt) PEMEX, the owned state
>> company, sell low sulfur
>>> diesel and PEMEX, has fixed prices. The actual
>> government pretends to open
>>> the oil market. Aren't they generous?
>>>
>>> Francisco
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
> Bryan Belman, Pt Pleasant, NJ
> 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp -- running :)
> 82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA -- running :)
> 92 Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel -- running :)
> 90 Audi 200, 2.2L Turbo FWD -- stripping for parts now :(
> 70 Type 1 stock Beetle -- Not running well :(
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:00:22 -0600
> From: James Hansen <jhsg at sasktel.net>
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
> To: mark shepherd <mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk>
> Cc: vw fans <Vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Message-ID: <47D80C26.5000208 at sasktel.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Yeah, but you don't have pump jacks in your back yard Mark.
> We do, and don't expect to have to pay a price that is
> representative of
> hauling it many thousands of miles. You should be accustomed to
> paying
> that price by now, but to us this is a new thing, so we deserve to
> whine
> a bit.
>
> as follows...
>
> Today in Yorkton, SK Diesel is 1.12 per liter at the pump.
>
> Biggest share of that goes to the Government, in the form of "road"
> taxes, and "sales" taxes, as it is still a percent based tax levied
> back
> in the 50's when fuel was free.
>
> What keeps the prices up has little to do with usage pattern, but the
> oil companies have taken notes from the supply managed industries.
> Every time supply looks like it will become excessive, a refinery
> shuts
> down for "maintenance", removing the excess supply. Hardly a mystery.
> Pundits can blather on about usage, etc, but every time a refinery
> goes
> offline, the commodity exchange reflects that. I use around 30000
> litres a year minimum, so I pay attention.
>
> -james
>
>
>
> mark shepherd wrote:
>> Here in the UK
>> Gasoline is ?1.05 per litre. Diesel is ?1.09 per litre or $7.95 and
>> $8.24
>> per US gallon respectively.
>> So stop bloody moaning you guys :o)
>> Mark
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "FDM-JRS Advocats" <dralaw at yahoo.com>
>> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel prices
>>
>>
>>> Here in Mexico (don't know in the border), diesel is priced at
>>> 2.03 USD
>>> per gallon (3.785Lt) PEMEX, the owned state company, sell low
>>> sulfur
>>> diesel and PEMEX, has fixed prices. The actual government pretends
>>> to open
>>> the oil market. Aren't they generous?
>>>
>>> Francisco
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
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