[Vwdiesel] Gas/Diesel Prices

[Patrick Dolan]

I can sympathize with the desire to see commercial truckers subsidized, but it is right back to the same issue:  if is too cheap, inefficient systems develop.  I hate to tell you the frequency that I see the SAME product going each way on an Interstate.  The price of consumer goods can and will increase, since if you take a careful look, it is the pre-occupation with buying endless piles of "stuff" (90% of which we do not need, and we do not make) that is one thing killing the economy.  And, a lot of that is happening because hydrocarbons are far too cheap and we pay only a tiny part of the "life cycle costs" (i.e. no cost of mitigation, remediation or replacement).

----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Belman <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:35 am
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Gas/Diesel Prices

> Agreed, dropping the price will encourage waste Again
> and again.
> 
> But, dropping the price for commercial drivers,
> truckers, somehow, would help.
> That would keep the cost of all goods being passed on
> to consumers who are already feeling the inflation of
> all things that need patrolium as a base or transport.
> 
> We can do many thing as a nation, but I would not hold
> my breath for someone to figure out such a simple plan
> like commercial discounts for fuel to
> carriers..........that will never happen.
> 
> 
> My 2 cents.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> --- Patrick Dolan <pmdolan at sasktel.net> wrote:
> 
> > I think the whole point is that dropping the price
> > of diesel (or gasoline) is what ENCOURCAGES WASTE. 
> > That is the difference bwtween Liberalism and
> > reality.  In the world of the Politically Correct
> > Looney Left, there are nothing but half-baked
> > flashes of insanity - rather than well reasoned
> > policy.  The world of actual free markets (that
> > doesn't actually exist anywhere, but there are
> > little bits of it around) dictates that causes and
> > effects are reflected in the actual price ("fair
> > market value"?), resulting in appropriate behaviour
> > from all participants.  In the case of fuel,
> > increasing price = increasing conservation and
> > making alternatives practical (driven by real market
> > forces rather that incredible stupidity of
> > burearcrats and politicians).
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "S. Shourds" <sshourds at flash.net>
> > Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:53 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Gas/Diesel Prices
> > 
> > > Dave Cook wrote:
> > > > Just one more example of something that our
> > government doesn't 
> > > do well.  To those who want to nationalize more
> > and more parts of 
> > > our daily life, I challenge you to name something,
> > anything, that 
> > > the government does well without wasting money. 
> > To win, they have 
> > > to do it better than private enterprises.  
> > > >
> > > >   
> > > 
> > > As someone working in a semi-governmental
> > environmental concern, I 
> > > think 
> > > the sad truth is that we need them both
> > involved--government and 
> > > private 
> > > industry.  Industry has the initiative, government
> > has the broad-
> > > based 
> > > accountability.  Makes a heck of a mess but to
> > paraphrase 
> > > Churchill, 
> > > it's the worst possible situation with the
> > exception of every 
> > > other 
> > > possible one.    
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I wouldn't, for example, mind if the US gov't
> > wanted to encourage 
> > > more 
> > > efficient vehicles and dropped the priced of
> > Diesel :)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Shalyn, the token big-government liberal :)
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> 
> Bryan Belman, Pt Pleasant, NJ
> 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp   -- running :)
> 82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA               -- running :)
> 92 Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel       -- running :)
> 70 Type 1 stock Beetle              -- Not running :(
>